Quintus 5,399 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You scrawny little ignoramus bellend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So, what's for dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I have not personally attacked anyone in this thread, yet have been insulted and belittled. On the other hand, you've started a discussion you had no intention of having any objectivity about, and mostly ignored any comments challenging your (as far as we can tell, mostly unfounded) claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Of course that's what's happened. It's Steef! To be fair, he did at least openly lay out his agenda early on in the thread (and in doing so singlehandedly undermined his whole objective and views, lolz), which is why I for one never once engaged with him on the matter in a serious or productive way.I sometimes like to feed the trolls, but I only ever throw them peanuts (and just enough rope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Steef set himself on fire and we're bringing him kindling, and he wants the moderators to throw him a wet blanket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Stefan has you all fooled. The man is a diseased maniac! Twisted and evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 We won't get fooled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 All art is quite useless. - Oscar Wilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Then JWfan must be art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 But the great Oscar Wilde is speaking for your case, Steef. Or have the personal attacks and the public pressure changed your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 You unwashed heathen bastard! You charlatan!But the great Oscar Wilde is speaking for your case, Steef. Or have the personal attacks and the public pressure changed your mind?Definitely the latter I reckon beyond doubt. I see he eventually joined the JWFan herd in response to his initially unfashionable love of Man of Steel! The sheep, BAAAAAAHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Don't worry. You still got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Man Of Steel is a good summer blockbuster. Awful script though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 It's not awful. Just mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Agreed. It's serviceable. Don't worry. You still got me.We could join forces and combine strength. We would be unstoppable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 He'll never join you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 "I believe basketball is an art. When the game is played as it should be played, you'll see athletes perform with precision, finesse, rhythm, flair, and grace." - Oscar RobertsonI've long believed that baseball, particularly pitching, at it's best is performance art. Hlao-roo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The point of basket ball is to beat the others. It's war without the killing. While running from the enemy, a soldier might do an acrobatic split while jumping over a fence but we wouldn't call it art. He just ran away to save his life and spread his legs in a flexible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Wait - is that photograph supposed to be the single strongest 'proof' of sport being art? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Wait - is that photograph supposed to be the single strongest 'proof' of sport being art? Lol.Putting a face to a name. Oscar Robertson wore #12 at the University of Cincinnati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 Wait - is that photograph supposed to be the single strongest 'proof' of sport being art? Lol.It is still move proof that the gamers have given to state their case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 To suggest that gaming can *never* be art is to suggest a total is *always* less than the sum of its parts. A game may contain hand-drawn sketches and storyboards, orchestral music, A-list voice work, complex rendering and level design, among other artistic things. Absolutes are simply childish tantrums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 To suggest that gaming can *never* be art is to suggest a total is *always* less than the sum of its parts. A game may contain hand-drawn sketches and storyboards, orchestral music, A-list voice work, complex rendering and level design, among other artistic things. Absolutes are simply childish tantrums.The things you mention are artistic elements within the product. The game itself, by definition, will always have a hurdle to get over, or a mission to accomplish, or a task to complete. That's what a game is. This is completely different than what art is trying to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Why? If you add a kiosk mode to a game, where you can just watch it play itself in a store front, does that make it art, since the interactive element is removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Personally, with the exception of Journey I've never played a game with a spiritual dimension - the transcendental. That for me is defining aspect of art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Why?If you add a kiosk mode to a game, where you can just watch it play itself in a store front, does that make it art, since the interactive element is removed?I didn't say it had to be interactive. A game playing a game doesn't make the game any less of a game.. Like watching someone play checkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 What's next, dogs playing poker?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 If video games can never be art, then, by the same token, does that mean that graphic novels can never be literature? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Apples and oranges. You dont "play" a comic book or graphic novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Yeah but only you invented the interactivity clause. Everyone else here binned your legislation off, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Apples and oranges. You dont "play" a comic book or graphic novel. You sound like a guy who's never dropped acid. You have no say in matters of art. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Another example of the devastating effects of video games! Thankfully not fatal. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/year-shoots-injures-year-colorado-24843373 Police said the 9-year-old who first took the gun said he learned how to handle the weapon from video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I was pleasantly surprised to see the Beeb report on this story the other day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28602887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Another example of the devastating effects of video games! Thankfully not fatal.http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/year-shoots-injures-year-colorado-24843373Police said the 9-year-old who first took the gun said he learned how to handle the weapon from video games.You know what, I should've been a mass murderer by now, sentenced for the chair, 10 times over, with all the violence and carnage and bloodshed I've caused / been through in video games.But no, in the real world, I'm totally against violence.And maybe, just maybe liberal gun laws may have something to do with that unfortunate accident... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 All guns are evil and must be banned! The only ones who should be allowed to carry them are your military and law enforcement overlords! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 The second American Civil War will begin when they really start to try to make that happen. And from Vietnam and the terror Wars, the revolutionaries know how to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Wouldn't it be more like the second American Revolution? I guess it would kind of be both in one. Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Political discussion is not allowed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 You're a communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 The second American Civil War will begin when they really start to try to make that happen. And from Vietnam and the terror Wars, the revolutionaries know how to win.Americans have become pacified and obedient to government rule. The bureaucrats are in charge now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Unfortunately yes.Political discussion is not allowed!Then don't bring up another anti-gun news article in a video game thread, idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Political discussion is not allowed!This.Then don't bring up another anti-gun news article in a video game thread, idiot.This this this this this. Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 It is an anti video game article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 No, it isn't. It simply says "Police said the 9-year-old who first took the gun said he learned how to handle the weapon from video games." No spin, no agenda. It's the news reporter's prose representation of what the police said the child told them, so we're getting a third level he said/she said memory. You are the individual who feels obligated to tie it to an agenda.I'm actually surprised a child that young would attribute knowing how to "handle" a gun from a video game. Most of the common shooting video games use an object that bears no resemblance to a real gun: a gamepad.Now I'm no guns expert, having only shot at a groundhog and missed, but I don't really see where I load the bullets, fill the chamber, and fire the trigger on that. Maybe the family owns one of these, instead:That looks more convincing. If the child played with one of them, then maybe I would believe the video games taught him how to "handle" a gun. I have one of these Wii gadgets (the better version, actually, the Cabela's model) and it's pretty good at recreating what it's like to hold a gun. Not something you'd want to forget is in your hand when you walk into a bank.But a gamepad? Gimme a break. Keyboard and mouse? Get real.Video games teach people how to "handle" guns no more than hunting shows on cable TV or violent movies that show people using actual guns. Do video games desensitize people on the effects of their bullets? Sure, if these people are weak and can't tell right from wrong, real from fake, death from "insert another quarter to continue." So do books, so does TV, so do movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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