Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yes... yes... yes... yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's a plot hole in Interstellar?! Pass!Just kidding, I don't care about plot holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't care about plot holes unless they take me out of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's a plot hole in Interstellar?! Pass!Just kidding, I don't care about plot holes.That is why you will never reach KM's level of film appreciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 So can someone explain to me what was happening at the end of the movie then, or would it spoil the sequel for others here? You are ready for the sequel?!Note the part where I said others here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I known what movie Interstellar reminded me of now....Elysium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I hope not ... I hated that movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies.Nolan movies are a special case, because they ask you to be 100% attentive to what's going on to understand anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't usually care either. But there is one soo big, once its pointed out to you atleast, that it really takes the film down a notch. Because it's the kind of plot error that ruins the foundation of the films story.For a film that preposes to be as accurate as possible its almost unforgivable actually...I don't know if i can watch it in the same way ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies. Nolan movies are a special case, because they want you to be 100% attentive to what's going on to understand anythingAnd as long as you are, you realize how there are no plot holes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies.Nolan movies are a special case, because they ask you to be 100% attentive to what's going on to understand anythingYes, that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 TGP! You are asking for it! Would you answer honestly and not beat about the bush as usual if I asked you to explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't usually care either. But there is one soo big, once its pointed out to you atleast, that it really takes the film down a notch. Because it's the kind of plot error that ruins the foundation of the films story.For a film that preposes to be as accurate as possible its almost unforgivable actually...I don't know if i can watch it in the same way ever again. Keep fishing!Oh you're serious? God knows we don't need more of that talk polluting the board, PM me or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Die Hard has such a huge plot hole that once you see it, you can't unsee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies. Nolan movies are a special case, because they want you to be 100% attentive to what's going on to understand anythingAnd as long as you are, you realize how there are no plot holes!Everything in Prometheus can be explained by fan theories on the Internet too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Wow, this almost feels like a Tolkien thread (not that I would know, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any movie is vulnerable to plot holes. Seek and you will find. However, that's not how I want to watch movies. Nolan movies are a special case, because they want you to be 100% attentive to what's going on to understand anythingAnd as long as you are, you realize how there are no plot holes! Everything in Prometheus can be explained by fan theories on the Internet too...That film *needs* fan theories to even be remotely intelligible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yes, but I see a parallel between the 2 films in how they attract this kind of nit picking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,357 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's usually always the fans that give a work meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I guess if you're that type of moviegoer. As Alex said, I don't want to be one of those. JWFan forced me last year.A good remedy for being a fiction plot hole fetishist is to examine your own life. You will find that there are plot holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole?!I think Steef just wanted to get me worked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole?!Check the relevant threadWhat plot hole?!I think Steef just wanted to get me worked up.Normally yes, but this is one that really bugs me and I hate when my friend pointed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole?The biggest one that I can't wrap my head around is the foundation of Hans' grand plan. He waits for the FBI to cut the power to the building so that the vault would open. But what if the FBI never showed up? The FBI's presence hinges on the fact that McClaine called the police, and Hans never anticipated that McClaine would be in the building to cause trouble. Unless Hans planned to call the FBI himself? Why couldn't the terrorists just cut the power to the building themselves?Also the other dumb thing is Hans' line "if you steal $600 million, they will find you unless they think you're already dead". Obviously Hans planned on fleeing with the money in the ambulance, therefore the authorities would have instantly known that the terrorists were alive and would have tracked them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I meant INTERSTELLAR..as for DIE HARD, he's supposed to be german so i imagine he has plan b,c and e and possibly 20 sub-plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Joel Silver action films often have plot holes.Lethal Weapon 2 is stupid. Since there no way a South African consulate (which has far less diplomatic importance then a embassy) could run a drug empire simply because of diplomatic immunity.The US would simply have them sent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,384 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 What plot hole?The biggest one that I can't wrap my head around is the foundation of Hans' grand plan. He waits for the FBI to cut the power to the building so that the vault would open. But what if the FBI never showed up? The FBI's presence hinges on the fact that McClaine called the police, and Hans never anticipated that McClaine would be in the building to cause trouble. Unless Hans planned to call the FBI himself? Why couldn't the terrorists just cut the power to the building themselves?Also the other dumb thing is Hans' line "if you steal $600 million, they will find you unless they think you're already dead". Obviously Hans planned on fleeing with the money in the ambulance, therefore the authorities would have instantly known that the terrorists were alive and would have tracked them down.I'm sure the same argument could be levelled at the likes of Skyfall, where Silva's plan depends on everything happening EXACTLY as he has anticipated. Doesn't stop it being one of the Bond franchise's very best entries (or Die Hard being brilliant, for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yep!I don't look for plot perfection in Bond or action films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Why didn't McClaine just take the stairs down to the car park and meet Argyle and use his cell phone?When he got the detonators, why didn't he just hide in some elusive spot in the building? See, McClaine is an attention seeker. Instead of being stealthy, he just had to be a cowboy. He did more damage by acting as bravado as he did. He really is the antagonist in this movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Skyfall is like a piece of tom and jerry swiss cheese compared to Die Hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not really.But Skyfall came out in the days of the Internet, so feverish "film fans" tear each inconsistency apart like ravenous wolves.Films didnt used to get such fanboy scrutinize before...i dunno 1995? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Nah, you're a bond apologist, we know that. The perfectly convenient denotation on the London underground is one of the biggest bullshit moments I've ever seen in movies full stop. I've packed in tv shows for less bs than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The Maze Runner: I don't understand the fairly positive praise the film has received. If you are 10 years old and it's your first film (after being brought up by Nickelodeon and Disney for 10 years) then maybe The Maze Runner might impress. Shallow, cliched, and very improbable. 4/10AlexI read the book a long time ago, and found it very formulaic, predictable and boring. So this rating sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Nah, you're a bond apologist, we know that. The perfectly convenient denotation on the London underground is one of the biggest bullshit moments I've ever seen in movies full stop. I've packed in tv shows for less bs than that.What's denotation?I'm not disagreeing. But for some reason this film was scrutinized far more when it comes to it's plot then any other Bond film. Like suddenly Moonraker, You Only Live Twice, Octopussy and even Goldeneye were perfectly plotted and plausible stories.Bond films have always had preposterous and convenient plot contrivances, Skyfall is no different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's not really "for some reason" though.I distinctly remember the reaction to Skyfall was a case of Ooo look how unusually sophisticated it is, fawn fawn. The train station detonation when Bond is in pursuit of the baddie i meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yeah that scene is pretty weird. The baddie having explosions in place just in case 007 catches up with him on that moment, so he can create a diversion.Also pretty weird to blow up a subway line right under the place you are staging your assassination. Because you obviously wanna lure as much police to the scene as possible....Silva's plan really doesnt hold up to intense scrutiny. And I guess the more sophisticated tone that Skyfall does have makes people pay closer attention to plot contrivances.Werent you the one that hatede the film because in a few shots on top of the train you suspected they replaced a stuntman's face with Craigs via CGI? I dont recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,384 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 They definitely scanned Craig's face over the stuntman's during parts of the motorbike chase. Personally, I wish the technology to do it had existed in the time of the later Moore films - the lack of even a passing resemblance to him of some of the stunt perfomers in the likes of Octopussy and AVTAK is all too noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's essentially no different that shooting a exciting stunt scene on location with highly trained stunt people and occasionally inserting a shot of Connery, Lazenby or Moore taken in Pinewood studio's with an unconvincing bit of back projection.Some of that really takes you out of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 And yet it's such a part of the movie that I wouldn't have it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't mind so much in the 60's ones. But in the 80's???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Werent you the one that hatede the film because in a few shots on top of the train you suspected they replaced a stuntman's face with Craigs via CGI? I dont recallI enjoyed it, which was good because I went out my way to see it (at the cinema). But yeah, I also had my criticisms of certain aspects, the weird Daniel Craig cgi included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Skyfall is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,384 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's essentially no different that shooting a exciting stunt scene on location with highly trained stunt people and occasionally inserting a shot of Connery, Lazenby or Moore taken in Pinewood studio's with an unconvincing bit of back projection.Some of that really takes you out of the movie.Seeing Dalton throw himself into the stuntwork was refreshing. A lot of what he does during the LTK tanker-truck chase in particular looks genuinely dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I agree! Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I watched Birdman again tonight. Has anyone else seen this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It hasn't been released here yet, but I can't wait to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It's exceptional. I'm going to lose sleep tonight reading reactions to and interpretations of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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