Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 How do you not know how to use Amazon? On the page that comes up for the SE CD, click See All Formats and Editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I do know how to use Amazon and that small button, and the regular edition just DOES NOT SHOW ON MY PC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9RU1hUWYxM2RHeE0/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Anyway, is the violin theme at the start of Battle For The Mountain the Arkenstone theme? In the booklet, Doug writes the theme is very prominent in the score, I just didn't really hear it yet outside A Thief In The Night.I wondered where Arkenstone has disappeared from the score as the main programme contains one clear rendition of the theme A Thief In the Night (the Dragon-Sickness does have a few though) and the jewel is or I would imagine it is a major plot element. Back to the listening board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 There has been some more "extroverted" music as Doug put it, in DoS already. The Forest River was quite unusual for Middle Earth already I think and this new score continues the development. Shore moves bit closer to a "normal" action/adventure scoring but I think he still retains the Middle Earth sound for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Question: Did you like Bred For War? Has a modern-ish rhythm to it, that I personally love it.A lot of the militaristic rhythms are very Shore though. But they were never as pronounced in LOTR. Here, it's mixed to he foreground, so I can see where one would complain about the lack of the Middle-Earth feel.It's still great music though. Just doesn't sound like ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Mithril? How did you get the idea that that was the Gundabad theme?? Doesn't sound Orc-ish in the least. It's more of a war motif I'm guessing for the siege/first battle.The Gundabad motif is what you hear in Bred For War. I find it deliciously evil. Very nice texture, and I really like the rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ah, well, then the Gundabad theme is not badass at all, but this war motif is very much so!Mithril? How did you get the idea that that was the Gundabad theme??What the fuck do I know? I'm just blind-guessing here, since I have no idea what might be happening in those scenes!I thought the Bred For War theme was probably for the bats, because I suppose the music here plays in the scene where Lego and Tau see the bats going to war.Yeah the marching motif at the end of Mithril sounds like music for battle preparations of the "good guys" elves and dwarves etc. but as I have not seen the film I don't know for sure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The army will probably be revealed then too,with the bats.That's personally one of ,y favourite motifs. Like a more evil extension of the Witch-King motif. And that little fanfare along with the trilling brass on top is awesome.I'm going to listen to that cue now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,067 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ha! Got the album now.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,067 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 And read liner notes! As we already agreed, the music somewhat suggested those points on its own, even without us not being trained musicians. But yeah, neat little article.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Here is my rather lengthy and a tiny bit analytical review of the score at Films on Wax. Beware my ultra positive tone! I am after all a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,067 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 It's awesome, naturally!Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Question: Did you like Bred For War?That's one of the tracks I have a problem with. The end in particular, with that percussion rythm, doesn't do it for me. Not a big fan of the new theme introduced here (is it for the bats?), either. I much prefer the Gundabad theme (if I'm not mistaken, that's the one introduced at the end of Mithril)! Now, that's (Gunda)badass!Correction: that theme (whatever it is for) is introduced in The Ruins Of Dale.Yup and my guess it is for Thorin's gang preparing for war against Thranduil and Bard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Nothing is decided until either we see the film or Doug Adams sings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oh I forgot the 2013 Nazgûl theme debacle. Well gosh-darnit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 The verdict is in: There is NO music unique to the Standard OST whatsoever this time. Only some clean endings, which may or may not be fake ones.Surprisingly, I was wrong about To The Death - it's not just the SE track with the quiet ending part lopped off, they actually took out a chunk of the middle of the track for the Standard version! Blasphemy!!!!!https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AjiRtgP4_o4TdHdFUExoRi1GMjlxRjl6V0hXY2JKU1E&output=html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The verdict is in: There is NO music unique to the Standard OST whatsoever this time. Only some clean endings, which may or may not be fake ones.Surprisingly, I was wrong about To The Death - it's not just the SE track with the quiet ending part lopped off, they actually took out a chunk of the middle of the track for the Standard version! Blasphemy!!!!!https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AjiRtgP4_o4TdHdFUExoRi1GMjlxRjl6V0hXY2JKU1E&output=htmlA curious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 There has been some more "extroverted" music as Doug put it, in DoS already. The Forest River was quite unusual for Middle Earth already I think and this new score continues the development. Shore moves bit closer to a "normal" action/adventure scoring but I think he still retains the Middle Earth sound for the most part.Which still leaves the question what the whole "lead into Fellowship" deal is about. 'cause Fellowship sure as hell doesn't sound like BOTFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,734 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 There has been some more "extroverted" music as Doug put it, in DoS already. The Forest River was quite unusual for Middle Earth already I think and this new score continues the development. Shore moves bit closer to a "normal" action/adventure scoring but I think he still retains the Middle Earth sound for the most part.Which still leaves the question what the whole "lead into Fellowship" deal is about. 'cause Fellowship sure as hell doesn't sound like BOTFA.I doubt they could ever make them sound alike when there was the need to both treat this as its own trilogy and try to bridge it with the Fellowship of the Ring. It is still a new story and it begins at the beginning despite the way PJ linked them. If Shore had been tied down to creating a strict evolution of the sound the Hobbit scores would undoubtedly sound quite different. To my ears this last score of the Hobbit trilogy moves thematically towards the Lord of the Rings rather than soundwise, attempting to bring the crucial themes up to a point where they can move to Lord of the Rings in a natural way. And there are many factors affecting the sound of these scores, the collaboration between the director and the composer not the least of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 well I am seeing the movie in about 9 hours, after which I will probably be too beaten by sleep to post thoughts here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Movie thoughts in the other thread, score thoughts in this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 thoughts about the movie score is what I meant to say <.< >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I can't seem to stop myself from listening to Fire and Water every morning as I get close to work. Such a fitting end to a great character!And I just love the way Shore turns Bard's relatively mopey DOS theme into a heroic version in the middle track. It's so cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 And read liner notes!KarolJay, does the standard have the liner notes? or is it like DOS and has no notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I won't know until I get home from work tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How? Score isn't available in America yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 People with liner notes, is there an "official" name for the new theme yet? The one for Bard rallying Laketown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 People with linear notes, is there an "official" name for the new theme yet? The one for Bard rallying Laketown?Might know in a second. BTW, Doug comfirms that the Bred for War motif is the Gundabad motif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hurrah! Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The sketches do not have the themes named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Argh! And he doesn't name them in the description? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hurrah! Where?Unlike the Elves and Dwarves, the Orcs of Dol Guldur and Gundabad care nothing forErebor’s riches....the themes associated with Azog, Bolg, and the Hill ofDark Sorcery expand their rotting influence. The pairs of descending thirds that previouslydropped by major intervals now begin to embrace minor intervals....The rhythmically evasive ascending scales slither contrapuntally beneath even the most elegant musicAnd the ensemble rumbles...with the addition of a full chorus of Australian didgeridooswhile the new Gundabad motif snaps upward with vicious half-step quivers.Argh! And he doesn't name them in the description?If he is to lead, then he must do so in a more honorable manner than the Master....a new, more mature theme portrays him as a burgeoning leaderof his people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,449 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Tauriel’s music is perhaps even more changed than that of the other Elves’. Her personaltheme is as graceful and lethal as ever it was, but the gentle line that once represented thediscovery of her feelings toward Kili...is now conscience-stricken by...responsibility.tutti strings and chorus is dimmed by more delicate,transparent orchestrations that seem to fade away into memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,522 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 KK, they are liner notes, not linear notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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