Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think (hope) we all recognize that FOTR is the best mix of the six, and one of the best film score mixes overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Working on verbing this up to where it sounds wetter, but not unnatural (most likely a losing battle ;( ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You people and your perfectly mix-attuned ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think (hope) we all recognize that FOTR is the best mix of the six, and one of the best film score mixes overall.Maybe the OST, the CR has too much burieng of Choir that should not be buried (Shadow of the Past, The Ring Goes South EE version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 With the first trilogy, each score has a different sonic color/texture about it, and it feels like a totally conscious decision to suit the changing atmosphere of each film. They're all perfect for their films, they're all some of the greatest mix jobs in film music. With these new scores, it's like they just forgot how to properly record, mix, and master, and they tried a different method each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 With these new scores, it's like they just forgot how to properly record, mix, and master, and they tried a different method each time.Not to mention, AUJ had Simon Rhodes, while DOS and BOTFA had only Cobbin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Exactly!FotR has that wonderful bright, but still ancient sound that suited the adventure vibe of the film. TTT went for a moody ambience, and the RotK went for that louder brass-heavy sound to suit the scale of the picture. All very worthy of their respective films' personalities.I'm assuming the recording/mixing team is different for these scores? Not sure why they couldn't just try and emulate the LotR setup at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Maybe it's a fine mix, I don't know, but I sure don't like it.It probably is not, seeing how its been called out by more then just our little group here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What really sets this apart from the other Hobbit scores to me are the very close-mic'd (sounds like that to me) string patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm assuming the recording/mixing team is different for these scores?John Kurlander did not return to record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And Kurlander did the LotR scores right?What, he didn't like NZ either? Must be something fishy about Wellington...In the end, we can really blame PJ for all of this! Perhaps we are one and the same Alvar. Two faces of the same coin.As you once said: we might be brothers!Ahh, and I stand by that! Someday we may reunite and then troll this place together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And Kurlander did the LotR scores right?Yep, but he did not return for AUJ (but he did record the Choir sessions for the Zelda Twilight Symphony fan projectWhat, he didn't like NZ either? Must be something fishy about Wellington...Uh, he recorded the Moria sequence as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 With these new scores, it's like they just forgot how to properly record, mix, and master, and they tried a different method each time.Not to mention, AUJ had Simon Rhodes, while DOS and BOTFA had only Cobbin.I don't think Rhodes really "got" the "sound" of Middle-Earth though, like Kurlander did. So the result sounds to me like a typical blockbuster score. I think Cobbin actually does get it, having worked on LOTR, but they lacked someone with a really magic touch at the console to compensate for the change in spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Exactly!FotR has that wonderful bright, but still ancient sound that suited the adventure vibe of the film. TTT went for a moody ambience, and the RotK went for that louder brass-heavy sound to suit the scale of the picture. All very worthy of their respective films' personalities.I'm assuming the recording/mixing team is different for these scores? Not sure why they couldn't just try and emulate the LotR setup at least... As far as I can see, they emulated the orchestra seating, but sadly not the mix. They emulated just about everything in LotR, but not the important things. Like the way Bilbo finds the ring. That still puzzles me to this day, that you would be obsessed about tying the trilogies together, but just say "ah, fuck it" to something like that.On an unrelated note: just saw the establishing shot of Barad-Dur in TTT again. Then I remembered Dol Guldur .... I could just cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And Kurlander did the LotR scores right?Yep, but he did not return for AUJ (but he did record the Choir sessions for the Zelda Twilight Symphony fan projectWhat, he didn't like NZ either? Must be something fishy about Wellington...Uh, he recorded the Moria sequence as well!So did Shore!I think a new evil has risen there...Oh so Kurlander is the missing magic piece. Pity.And the fact that I seriously doubt we'll hear any of this music in concert means we'll probably never hear the LPO take on it either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Maybe it's a fine mix, I don't know, but I sure don't like it.It probably is not, seeing how its been called out by more then just our little group here.Who are you thinking of?Those who worship at the shrine of Final Fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What really sets this apart from the other Hobbit scores to me are the very close-mic'd (sounds like that to me) string patterns.It definitely does sound like there are spot mics on the violas and celli. Which is weird since the whole point of the different (read: better) string seating is that it points those inner strings right at the tree, upping their presence. So why would they really need spot mics? Because someone wants the score to sound more "modern"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And Kurlander did the LotR scores right?Yep, but he did not return for AUJ (but he did record the Choir sessions for the Zelda Twilight Symphony fan projectWhat, he didn't like NZ either? Must be something fishy about Wellington...Uh, he recorded the Moria sequence as well!So did Shore!I think a new evil has risen there...Oh so Kurlander is the missing magic piece. Pity.InTheCity and Alexander saw the signs... they tried to warn us!What really sets this apart from the other Hobbit scores to me are the very close-mic'd (sounds like that to me) string patterns. Because someone wants the score to sound more "modern"?Yeah, and maybe to highlight the Dragon Sickness ostinati? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What really sets this apart from the other Hobbit scores to me are the very close-mic'd (sounds like that to me) string patterns.It definitely does sound like there are spot mics on the violas and celli. Which is weird since the whole point of the different (read: better) string seating is that it points those inner strings right at the tree, upping their presence. So why would they really need spot mics? Because someone wants the score to sound more "modern"?In LotR and AUJ (though less effectively so), the string/woodwind ostinati/patterns were used more as a blended texture in the background, often for that "shimmering" sound, or for more subtle rhythmic propulsion. But with DoS, and far more in BotFA, the way they've been recorded brings it more to the foreground, like the centerpiece to the music, and this is probably due to the close mic setup? And I don't think Shore ever intended it to sound that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And the fact that I seriously doubt we'll hear any of this music in concert means we'll probably never hear the LPO take on it either! But I am sure we will hear the Prague.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And Kurlander did the LotR scores right?Yep, but he did not return for AUJ (but he did record the Choir sessions for the Zelda Twilight Symphony fan projectWhat, he didn't like NZ either? Must be something fishy about Wellington...Uh, he recorded the Moria sequence as well!So did Shore!I think a new evil has risen there...Oh so Kurlander is the missing magic piece. Pity.And the fact that I seriously doubt we'll hear any of this music in concert means we'll probably never hear the LPO take on it either! It's all really weird, since Kurlander's recording at Watford hall was supposed to mimmick the sound of Wellington Town hall.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oh so Kurlander is the missing magic piece. Pity.And the fact that I seriously doubt we'll hear any of this music in concert means we'll probably never hear the LPO take on it either! Start a Kickstarter project now!"Rerecording of the Hobbit scores with Kurlander and the LPO, supervised by Kalaisan Kalaichelvan, son of Sinnadurai. Minimum donation: $1,000" Once and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 We would have to re-use Watford Colosseum for that. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Can I conduct? Shore will be too lazy to show up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Can I conduct?That's included in our Platinum Baton package! Minimum Pledge: $100,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What really sets this apart from the other Hobbit scores to me are the very close-mic'd (sounds like that to me) string patterns. Because someone wants the score to sound more "modern"?Yeah, and maybe to highlight the Dragon Sickness ostinati?You could do that for individual cues only.In my mind, this modern string stuff replaces the powerful string rhythms like in Helm's Deep.And I definitely think someone wanted a more modern sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 We would have to re-use Watford Colosseum for that. KarolHow I would love to get the impulse responses for the place, to make the NZSO sound like they are playing in Watford (or the responses for Welly Town Hall, to up the reverb a bit.) Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 We would have to re-use Watford Colosseum for that. KarolHow I would love to get the impulse responses for the place, to make the NZSO sound like they are playing in Watford (or the responses for Welly Town Hall, to up the reverb a bit.)I actually made an... inquiry about capturing some IR's at Watford a few years ago. I think if twenty of us get together, we should be able to handle the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 By the way, wasn't The Mummy Returns also recorded there? That was a great sounding score.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Did anyone seWe would have to re-use Watford Colosseum for that. KarolHow I would love to get the impulse responses for the place, to make the NZSO sound like they are playing in Watford (or the responses for Welly Town Hall, to up the reverb a bit.)I actually made an... inquiry about capturing some IR's at Watford a few years ago. http://www.classicconcerts.org.uk/wc/archive/colosseum/Colosseum-Acoustical%20Report.pdf Dixon Hill and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 That has some useful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just realized the score doesn't come out until next week in America. I got my copy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just realized the score doesn't come out until next week in America.Whoa, I thought it came out tomorrow! Working on verbing this up to where it sounds wetter, but not unnatural (most likely a losing battle ;( )So here are some tests: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Doesn't play for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Doesn't play for me.Now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I like the first one. Though I must admit they're a bit hard to differentiate.Basically wetness = gooooooood, especially when it comes to the chanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Yep. Second one sounds best.Now please do Fire And Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,375 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just realized the score doesn't come out until next week in America. I got my copy today. What are you talking about? It will be on my doorstop tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just realized the score doesn't come out until next week in America. I got my copy today.What are you talking about? It will be on my doorstop tomorrow.Amazon says the release date for the SE comes out the 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The physical CD release date says December 15th, yes, a digital download is availabe on the 9th on Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,375 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Again, the CD comes out tomorrow. I will have a physical CD on my doorstop tomorrow.The standard one, of course. WaterTower did delay the SE OST a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Amazon.com doesn't even list the standard edition, just the special edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,375 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Wrong.http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OIG3BLW/http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OIG3CAC/You've been posting a lot of incorrect information lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No idea where you are looking, but if I search for "battle of the five armies" under CDs & Vinyl, all I get is the special edition and the japanese import of the regular edition.Anyway, is the violin theme at the start of Battle For The Mountain the Arkenstone theme? In the booklet, Doug writes the theme is very prominent in the score, I just didn't really hear it yet outside A Thief In The Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,375 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Did you click on the two links in my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I sure did. Still doesn't explain why the regular US edition doesn't appear when I do a simple search in the appropriate category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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