#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It's fine. The most "normal" Bond film Craig has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Only on the surface; they fact that they pulled a giant retcon and made a new bad guy be behind everything that happened in the previous 3 movies was stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes it was. But it was also fairly harmless. A silly attempt as a "James Bond Cinematic Universe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 So, Sam Mendes isn't infallible then? He never was of course, but the way people go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 American Beauty is garbage. Road to Perdition is his best film. Skyfall is the only other one of his that I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Quintus said: So, Sam Mendes isn't infallible then? He never was of course, but the way people go on... Sam Mendes? He's the director, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: American Beauty is garbage. Road to Perdition is his best film. Skyfall is the only other one of his that I like. I think American Beauty is his best. The others you mentioned were mostly decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Granted, I haven't seen American Beauty in at least 15 years so my opinion might be different now, but at the time I hated that movie so much. There are few stories that bore me more than suburban ennui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 How about Blue Velvet? My favourite cinematic suburbia is and always will be Spielberg's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Make Bond badass again! #SHIT NEWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quintus said: How about Blue Velvet? My favourite cinematic suburbia is and always will be Spielberg's. Well David Lynch's approach to suburbia is actually original and interesting, unlike American Beauty (in my memory, at least). And yeah, E.T. is brilliant because Spielberg just treats the suburban environment as a fact of life, as a place where a beautiful, magical story can take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 That, plus Close Encounters and Poltergeist. It's like it's the same housing estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes! His early work was so brilliant at elevating the mundane to the level of mythology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Yes! His early work was so brilliant at elevating the mundane to the level of mythology. Yuck! High school level film analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yuck! High school level film analysis. So you're saying it's an inaccurate statement? Where's the counter-argument? That's literally what Spielberg was doing in those films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What grade did you get for that little nugget of brilliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Man, whatever. Not engaging with your petty snipes. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I know thats what he was doing. I just found your description of it slightly amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On 12/24/2016 at 4:50 PM, MikeH said: One aspect of his work that astonishes me to no end is the depth of his orchestrations. Now I'm not in the camp that says orchestrations have to be complex in order to be wonderful. I do love me lots of Barry and streamlined Goldsmith. Looking at his sketches for cues like "Zam the Assassin" and "Journey to the Island" is often dizzying for me. There's so much going on, and a lot of it is not even noticeable until you look at the layers via the sketch/score. But it all contributes to the whole. This is a man who does this with pencil and paper, every day of his life. Even at two minutes a day, it's staggering to think that he can accomplish as much complexity as he does in the time allotted. It's very, very intense work. All of those 16th and 32nd note woodwind runs (think Journey to the Island), notated by hand, accidentals and all. Now some may argue that he could accomplish just as much emotionally with less orchestrational complexity. He did admit to streamlining a bit during the action sequences of TFA, wondering whether or not it was worth it since it will all be covered up with sound effects in the end. But at the end of the day, it's remarkable to think of how much music he's written over the years with such depth and mastery of orchestration. "Depth?" "Complexity?" Sorry, but ANY composer who does a soundtrack, for a motion picture, has not the time for either. To the "average joe" yes, it does SOUND like a lot going on, but, in reality, it's no more complicated than a Beatles Song. Or singing a "round" version of "Row Your Boat." The modern orchestra, is nothing more than a four piece rock band. The orchestra just has more members. THAT explains "depth." And I've heard recordings of just THREE members, who sounded like WAY more than just "three." As for "complexity?" A lot of these "MIDI Maestros" on the web today believe that you have to fine tune and fix everything to the point of sounding "REAL", yet they have NO idea of how that is truly accomplished! That's because, most of these people, NEVER came up the "Hard Way"- like being a part of musical groups for the better *part* of their lives. And MOST of these people, are trying to tell ME, how percussion and whatnot, should SOUND? Orchestra is NOT difficult! But, really, you have to start, from the beginning...... On 1/24/2017 at 6:50 AM, Quintus said: I think American Beauty is his best. The others you mentioned were mostly decent. American Beauty spawned a whole HOST of imitations, like HEART BREAKERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Out of curiosity, what's your favorite John Williams score, @skyy38? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Out of curiosity, what's your favorite John Williams score, @skyy38? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 But not very deep or complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 hours ago, skyy38 said: "Depth?" "Complexity?" Sorry, but ANY composer who does a soundtrack, for a motion picture, has not the time for either. To the "average joe" yes, it does SOUND like a lot going on, but, in reality, it's no more complicated than a Beatles Song. Or singing a "round" version of "Row Your Boat." The modern orchestra, is nothing more than a four piece rock band. The orchestra just has more members. THAT explains "depth." And I've heard recordings of just THREE members, who sounded like WAY more than just "three." As for "complexity?" A lot of these "MIDI Maestros" on the web today believe that you have to fine tune and fix everything to the point of sounding "REAL", yet they have NO idea of how that is truly accomplished! That's because, most of these people, NEVER came up the "Hard Way"- like being a part of musical groups for the better *part* of their lives. And MOST of these people, are trying to tell ME, how percussion and whatnot, should SOUND? Orchestra is NOT difficult! But, really, you have to start, from the beginning...... Lol Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 4:02 PM, Quintus said: That, plus Close Encounters and Poltergeist. It's like it's the same housing estate. Even Gremlins and, to a lesser extent, Back to the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Romão said: Even Gremlins and, to a lesser extent, Back to the Future Yes! Another thing all these movies have in common is ordinary people being pulled into fantastical adventures. I think this is something that is sorely missing from blockbuster cinema today. It's all superheroes! I like a lot of those movies of course, but I miss when heroes used to be from the family next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 He's alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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