Jay 37,373 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 The Orville 2x12 Sanctuary Another good episode. Macfarlane must REALLY like the Moclans and/or the guy playing Bortus because they get so many more stories than anybody else! I'd love if they dove more into other characters and cultures before revisiting this one so many times. Anyhoo, the story was good once again. I enjoyed seeing all the various random aliens in the hearing scenes, and how much of a treat was it to get a scene with the admiral characters played by Victor Garbor, Ted Danson, and Kelly Hu all together? BTW, when they found that female Moclan on the refugee planet inside the nebula, was that a character from a prior episode? If so I completely forgot about her! I think that Bortus and Klyden are headed for divorce. They seem to diverge more and more as time goes on. The new Marina Sirtis character was nice; It was a chock to hear her with a different accent! I assume this is her natural one, but I've never seen her in anything else besides TNG and its movies I don't think. Andrew Cottee gave us what is certainly his best score yet this week. It seems he is carving his own path; Instead of relying on constant homages like McNeely and Debney, this one seemed wholly original to me (unless I just didn't recognize something he was homaging). It was good and yet another score I can't wait to hear on CD. 2 more episodes to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jay said: The Orville 2x12 Sanctuary BTW, when they found that female Moclan on the refugee planet inside the nebula, was that a character from a prior episode? If so I completely forgot about her! I think that Bortus and Klyden are headed for divorce. They seem to diverge more and more as time goes on. You are not alone. I also forgot about her, so when Captain Mercer remembered her by name, I did some Googling. She was in S1E3 About a Girl. She is Moclus' chief poet but a female whose parents avoided the surgery as a baby. They lived in exile in the mountains for her entire life, and she published poems using a pseudonym. All males thought the poet was also male. Ed called her as a character witness when Kelly tried to defend Bortus' decision to keep her female but lost. I forgot all of that because I had no memory of that trial sequence. I'm pretty sure I fell asleep in the initial watch sequence, and I never rewatched any Orville episodes until this past Sunday. After watching Sanctuary, the MIL liked it so much, we binged the first six episodes of S1 until GOT aired. That let me rewatch S1E3 in its entirety. Rewatching was a treat because now I understand the "jar of pickles" inside-joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 That sounds vaguely familiar now! I think I need to re-watch season 1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Sanctuary featured a scene where everyone plays golf in the holodeck that was cut from broadcast. Sorry, "Environmental Simulator" Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Truncated opening titles?! I'm okay with it. It's about "time" that The Orville went here... Back to the Future, Part II rules so far... That ending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'd be happy with shorter titles. They're long as fuck, and while the theme is good, it's not exactly Voyager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The truncated music wasn't an edit either, it was clearly a new (shorter) recording of the main titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Star Trek: Discovery ended it's second season spectacularly and, in some ways quite intelligently. I'm glad now i chose that show over this pretender. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 No reason you can't watch both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The Orville never made me embarrassed to be a Star Trek fan. Knowing that Discovery exists does. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jay said: No reason you can't watch both They said that in the 90's about DS9 and Babylon 5! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Wojo just seems like an objectively trustworthy authority on this to me, I believe him over Steef on this one. Especially after what I remember sitting through in last year's Discovery, and especially after watching those two Kaylon war episodes in The Orville the other night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 I never said you should watch Discovery! I actually warned you about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Oh well, thanks for having my back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Wojo just seems like an objectively trustworthy authority on this to me, I believe him over Steef on this one. Especially after what I remember sitting through in last year's Discovery, and especially after watching those two Kaylon war episodes in The Orville the other night I don't appreciate your condescension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 He might actually be serious. Lee is no Trekkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, Stefancos said: He might actually be serious. Lee is no Trekkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, xWxzek said: I don't appreciate your condescension. Wojo you're a fuckin pill sometimes. Relax, just bring it down a few levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 How am I a pill? Swallow me because I'm medicine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Zzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 pill 1. a single pharmaceutical tablet of any kind 2. birth control 3. ecstacy 4. an annoying or nagging person 5. a slang term for a basketball So I'm 4 to you. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Feeling lonely, Rich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 My understanding of it is someone with a rod stuck up their arse, making them easily agitated. I'd definitely say Wojo is easily the most agitated member on the board, historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 18 hours ago, xWxzek said: Truncated opening titles?! I'm okay with it. It's about "time" that The Orville went here... Back to the Future, Part II rules so far... That ending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Quintus said: My understanding of it is someone with a rod stuck up their arse, making them easily agitated. I'd definitely say Wojo is easily the most agitated member on the board, historically. Without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, xWxzek said: 18 hours ago, xWxzek said: Truncated opening titles?! I'm okay with it. It's about "time" that The Orville went here... Back to the Future, Part II rules so far... That ending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Another couple of 'sodes last night, and we're nearing the end of the season at last The time capsule romance was corny but its heart was in the right place and I liked that episode quite a lot, even with the technical logic liberties it took. I have no problem completely suspending my disbelief with this show, especially when it makes me care about the characters and their feelings like it did here. There's only been one episode all season where I felt like the piss was well and truly taken, but this romantic installment managed to charm me, I believed it. The female Moclan sanctuary episode after it was another top tier one for me, it was really terrific. Frankly, it's stories (and hardly subtle allegories) like this one which really highlight the genius of this show in general. I loved the dilemma and it was great to see the division play out amongst some of the characters and the wider union. Again, Shakespeare it ain't, but for a so-called comedy telly program, this was enjoyably dramatic and thoughtful. My only disappointment with it was that I wish it could have been bolder than it ended up being - towards the end I was thinking that a dispute with the Moclans might spiral into an unexpected conflict with the race, further complicating matters completely, especially with the Kaylon threat now being a thing. I thought that would have been really great writing and it might have provided the stage for some interesting dynamics, but alas it seems the team didn't have the stomach nor the ambition for it, or they just didn't want to go in that direction with the show, which I think is a shame. Either way, I still thought it was a really engrossing episode, certainly one of the better ones of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Wow, the latest episode had some great motion control split-screen shots, including at least one which I couldn't figure out how they did it. Also did the score remind me of Silvestri in some parts, or was that just wishful thinking regarding the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Anyone else think the new chief of security is better than the previous hotter one? Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Yes, but I don't know how to explain why. I'm curious whether the gravity problem that afflicted the first actress will return for this one, or if they'll forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, xWxzek said: Yes, but I don't know how to explain why. I think her older age is a big factor - Halston Sage was 'fine' in the part, but bloody hell she never exactly looked the part, did she. Her replacement also just looks more butch, but in a none dikey way. Ideal really. I think she's great. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 She looks rougher and more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, xWxzek said: She looks rougher and more experienced. Cor blimey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Wat een verrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 The Orville 2x13 Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow Wow, that was a cool episode! I really liked it a lot. This is really the type of episodes I enjoy most, these one-off cool sci-fi concept episodes that bring tons of great character development with them. Quint is gonna LOVE blonde Kelly when he gets to this episode. I certainly got a new appreciation for her after this episode! The special effects for having multiple Kellys was usually pretty convincing, though the Kaylon scene where they hid in the ice was a little dodgy (and couldn't they detect Isaac was on board? He didn't shut down too!). The ending was really interesting; Does her rejecting a second date mean she's now in an alternate timeline? Does it mean the memory wipe didn't work? Will we check in with this Kelly again? John Debney's score was nice too, though I don't remember any particular highlights. Bring on the season finale! leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I wish they had discussed in earlier episodes whether or not individual Kaylons contained distinct chips or signals that they could use for tracking. On the one hand, it would permit the show to discuss the ethics of microchipping "sentient" beings like you would a pet. On the other hand, why would such a xenophobic and arrogant race take such measures in the first place? Perhaps that specific episode is meant to show that Isaac's body itself is a Faraday cage, and he needed to manually dial home when he wanted to upload data, instead of always being tied to the home planet Wi-Fi. *** Did Ed and Kelly ever mention that their first date initiated seamless courtship that lasted until their marriage and eventual divorce? It's possible we're meant to assume that we now have an alternate timeline or altered past where Kelly never conspired with Halsey to give Ed the titular command. Or, Ed was rejected initially, worked harder to win her heart, and they never mentioned the dump again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I dunno, I mean is ice anything that would prevent, say, The Orville's sensors from figuring out there's something underneath? It seemed like they could have pulled it off better by just not having the Kaylon ship come so close or something. I've typically not been a fan of the Ed/Kelly romance thread that's run through the whole show, but this was by far the best entry in it. Really good episode top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 The one-sentence synopsis for the next episode (on IMDB) mentions that Kelly's decision at the end of the episode does have effects going forward. Quote The crew must contend with the disastrous fallout from Kelly's decision. Wherever that synopsis comes from and however that works. Maybe it refers to something else entirely? Edit: Reading more about it, this episode was in fact the first of the season finale 2-parter, even if the episode title doesn't suggest that. Anyway, for me one of the highlights of the episode's score weirdly was in fact that short comedic bit after Ed's "second" date with Kelly when he's on his way back to his quarters. It's really not more than 5 seconds, but I loved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Woah, really? Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Wow, another great episode! A lot of action, and of course a fantastic score by Joel McNeely. Definitely a great way to send off the season. And yes, the events of the previous episode drastically affect the events of this episode. I don't want to spoil anything, but you'll see what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Wait - the weird but good Kelly's duplicate episode wasn't the finale? Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 While Fox ordered two seasons of 13 episodes each, only 12 episodes actually aired during season 1, with one held over and aired early in season 2 instead (the Bortus porn addiction one). So we ended up with a 12 episode season 1 and 14 episode season 2 as a result. Going forward, if its renewed, every season should be 13 normally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 Not renewed yet? Uh oh... it's Fox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Not renewed yet? Uh oh... it's Fox! If it was cancelled it wouldn't be because it's not watched (it gets good ratings for a modern network show) but because of budget, I would think. A show with this much effects work (and an orchestral soundtrack!) can't be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 Fox failure to support hit shows is legendary. But i bet Netflix or Amazon would buy it from them if it got cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: (the Bortus porn addiction one) One of my favourites of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted April 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2019 The Orville 2x14 The Road Not Taken WOW!! What a terrific episode, talk about an extremely satisfying conclusion of a 2parter AND conclusion of the whole season. It was so smart to show the stakes of the Kaylans via an alternate reality where they have taken over half the galaxy, really makes the threat feel more real in our main timeline. It's also extremely interesting that if you look at last week's episode and take the final 20 seconds out, you have an very well done, kind of regular weekly non-connected episode that was extremely satisfying. But with that ending included, that sets up this fantastic episode we got this week that acts as a completely logical continuation of the story, despite having a completely different pacing and tone and style. The writing for this show is really on point! Another hallmark of this being a good episode is that it sets up this alternate very well, so well that you could imagine so many more stories taking place in it. I mean if you think about it, this almost feels like episode 5 of a 5-episode continuous story; They could have done entire episodes that filled in the 7 year gap, showing Kelly's alternate life, showing the alternate losing to the Kaylans, etc etc etc. The cameo by Hallston Sage as Alara was awesome!! It was so brief, I wonder if they actually filmed it back when they were filming her 2 episodes for this season, before she left the show... or if she actually returned for filming way later, and it's possible they can use her next season somehow. Interesting. Joel McNeely's score was also very VERY good this week, one of the best scores of the whole show I think. The heavy use of homage that ran through all of season 1 and most of season 2 was tapering off towards the end of the season I think (Unless I just wasn't noticing all the homages any more), and this one was the same with lots of great action music that seemed pretty original to me.... until they arrived on the sunken Orville, when we got some nice vibes on Horner's ALIENS, and then when they took off some more of Horner's Star Trek sound. Good stuff. Bring on a renewal!!! enderdrag64, leeallen01, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I have to agree, this was an incredible episode. I'd even go as far as this being the best episode of the show yet. Visually this went above and beyond... and I thought the Kaylon 2-parter was VFX-heavy. McNeely's score did give me some Williams vibes here and there, but it still felt fresh... great action music! Oh man, I SO hope this show gets many more seasons. leeallen01 and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just watched the finale. This was such a fantastic end to the season, MacFarlane is a genius. Not only was the plotting unexpectedly audacious and rip-roaring, but the brash and un-bogged down approach to what would normally be standard logistical issues (for anal fans) in shows like Star Trek, felt like the thrilling pulp antidote to it all here. Let's just say they took more of an Indiana Jones "making it up as they go" approach to sci-fi dilemma here than one would typically find instead in an episode of Star Trek. And the set-pieces, the special effects! It was so much fun to see The Orville gang whizz through their own spectacular homage to the original Asteroid Field - with musical accompaniment that unabashedly locked its own sights on Williams' famous barnstormer but with a dialled up to 11 voice of its own, it was the stuff of pure feelgood cinema and I was loving it - yet this was actually made for the telly! Any lover of dominant and swashbuckling symphonic scoring style owes a debt of gratitude to The Orville and Seth MacFarlane for keeping the dream of great, loud neo-romantic soundtrack scoring alive in 2019. For this show is the last bastion of its defence and its right to exist! Hyperbole? Sure, I'm having fun typing this shit, but I'm also serious when I say that once Star Wars is finished, we'll only have Joel McNeely left still doing that sort of thing with any sort of conviction. But I'm sure he'll be giving it absolute death whenever he does! Hats off to the guy as far as I'm concerned. The Orville, when it really goes for it, when it's firing on all cylinders, I think it really comes together to make something pretty bloody special. When its expertly and lovingly crafted working parts are humming along during those lively highlights, during those funny and exciting high sci-fi adventure sequences, I think it's better than next gen Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy combined. It's cinematic TV magic. leeallen01, DarthDementous, Manakin Skywalker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 It was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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