Fabulin 3,514 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2018 She has obvious talent but she's writing music pretty squarely within an idiom in vogue about 120 years ago. That she does it at her age is impressive but many with the knack of composition can set their imagination wandering in an established musical language that they know well and churn out material. If, in 10 or 15 years, her talent has continued to increase, she's seen that to write beautiful music doesn't have to mean to write the music of fin de siecle Vienna, and her own distinctive compositional voice emerged, that will be something to talk about. If this is ultimately her music though, that's all well and good, but to me less exciting than someone speaking one of the many more contemporary musical tongues with such aplomb at an early age - that would be one who could "carry" a century. Nothing against the lass herself and her accomplishments of course, but as it stands it's a 60 Minutes "culture" piece for dilettantes - now noticing it actually was featured on 60 Minutes. There you have it. Always the search for the "next Mozart," always a yearning for glories of the past and a blindness to reality and the beauties right in front of us. Simple way of looking at things I think but that's what something like 60 Minutes and clickbaity "inspirational young prodigy" videos are all about. karelm, Cerebral Cortex and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I put thought into my post. Perhaps you could be bothered to in turn respond more cogently - and less predictably. Perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I agree with TGP. I see no reason to care about this kid who can imitate well. The fact that Mozart was a child prodigy and his childhood compositions are not especially important or interesting on their own, it is only given weight based on what came later. There were prodigies before him, and many after him. Most did not define music for their era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I think the whole discussion is pointless right now. Of course she can emote only in the lingo she could learn in this limited timeframe (=her age). But if she puts the growing craftmanship to good use for when she's able to look beyond the baroque (or romantic) toolbox remains to be seen. At worst, she continues to write Mozart, Brahms and Bach miniatures in her late 20's, with a bit of luck she finds something beyond. We are listening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fabulin said: I think she is in a very privileged and favorable position now; in the context of my specific statement her strengths are a presence from 2010s onward, possibly till 2090s and a trajectory of development that is really not very far from early Mozart, is it? If she truly is to be the next Mozart, she could only carry on until 2040 at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Expecting continuous meaningful developments of an aesthetic art by and for a very slowly evolving species will hit a wall sooner than later. We will reach an epoch where the greats will slow down to put efforts in refining what exists already. Imagine if Beethoven didn't want to compose in an old idiom, but after searching and searching—found nothing—what would he do? Go back, and no shame about that.The same about literature, film or painting. They all reach/have reached a plateau. In the 21st century it is reasonable for a composer to view the entirety of our musical history as their playground, and at any time it is unreasonable to expect a composer to build their work entirely from the ground up. That said there is much to draw from between the era of Miss Deutscher's chosen idiom and the present. I wouldn't wish for her to neglect that, particularly since the most reliable method of forging new ways is the combination of so many disparate old ways. Why you have to seemingly take it to the point of "nothing worthwhile has been done since Strauss" type polemics, or worse, revert to the idea that an art form can hit some evolutionary wall beyond which nothing will matter (are you a Boulez fan? I wager not, and yet...) is what's "truly puzzling" here though perhaps I've misunderstood your apparent distrust of "post modern" tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Imagine if Beethoven didn't want to compose in an old idiom, but after searching and searching—found nothing— Well, if he found nothing he wouldn't be fucking Beethoven. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yo, @Fabulin, first I read you say Giacchino's Medal of Honor scores are one of the most significant orchestral achievements in this century, and now you champions this girl whose place in my mind has been well-articulated above.. ... what is "fabulin", that like some new street word for trippin'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Grey pretty much perfectly summed up this thread. I've known musicians like her and this really is pretty much a search for a "next mozart" and they don't really outlast their youth. In music school, this isn't very unusual. This is really a topic for non musicians and in conservatories, it is a non topic. I'm all for cute kids who are talented but there are tons of them and nothing sets her apart from the rest. When she's an adult, she'll be judged on her music and it will be tougher to impress. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Anyone else think Rick Beato's perfect pitch kid is the next John Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, TGP said: Anyone else think Rick Beato's perfect pitch kid is the next John Williams? Considering that he told the whole world how to write like John Williams, there's no telling how much of art and music his son will save from our current artistic Dark Age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I only watch Rick Beato when he talks about Steely Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 He's a cool guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Of all these "YouTube music gurus" out there, I'd say Rick Beato is one of the more pleasant ones. I don't go out of my way to watch him, but I like him, Adam Neely, and Underbelly. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 As long as we're throwing around YouTube channels, I like watching Guy Michelmore. Not much of a genius, but awfully entertaining. The kid above is an even more annoying Hermione. "Well actually..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On 11/29/2018 at 11:32 AM, Fabulin said: I don't know her but I personally gagged at this on Youtube. The public response is kind of pedestrian? Just let her do her cool little thing, don't make it into something radical. Go out and interview the talented streets of hobos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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