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Saving Private Ryan vs. War Horse


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  1. 1. Score: Saving Private Ryan vs. War Horse

  2. 2. Film: Saving Private Ryan vs. War Horse

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You are so, so right.  This might be Spielberg's masterpiece.  Like Coppola did in Apocalypse Now, Spielberg put his heart and soul into this film and this sequence encapsulates why the film and score

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, the score, was not a favourite of mine in the 90s, but has grown on me considerably as I've grown older and fonder of slower and more textural landscapes. However, not so much as

Sure! It came in 11th in my list of 2012 movies (it premiered in 2012 in Norway).

19 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

 

I just listened to it. 

 

 

Well, it's an American movie, that's why it has a strong pro-American bias. Nobody denies that. Even Spielberg himself admitted that. 

 

I know this comes as a shock to many people (Americans), but the Soviet Union defeated the Nazis, period. The Americans entered the war in the very last stages, when it was already abundantly clear that the Nazis were losing.... With the crazy anti-Russian propaganda bs going on in the US, most Americans aren't aware of that, and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care, either. 

Well, the Russians were fighting for their lives. And remember, Hitler and Stalin signed a treaty which allowed Russia to invade Poland and Finland.

America didn't have to enter the war. Nobody invaded us.

Without our entry into the war , Germany could have very well conquered WESTERN Europe.

The Normandy invasion was Canada, England and U.S. We paid a heavy price to liberate France

America entered the war in the " last stages"? We entered immediately after Pearl Harbor. US troops fought in North Africa and Italy in 1942-1943.

We had also been providing aid to England and Russia from the beginning. We were not an autocracy where a leader could take the country to war unilaterally.

The Pacific war was a horror show.

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On 11/28/2020 at 2:34 AM, bruce marshall said:

Well, the Russians were fighting for their lives.

America didn't have to enter the war. Nobody invaded us.

Without our entry into the war , Germany could have very well conquered WESTERN Europe.

The Normandy invasion was Canada, England and U.S. We paid a heavy price to liberate France

 

I'm not trying to belittle the contribution of the US, France, and the British in the war, don't get me wrong.  But like I said, one shouldn't try to rewrite history. Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, and the Soviets with their Red Army beat and defeated the Nazis. The Americans were simply on Russia's side. 

 

One should see the whole picture, it's not like America came and defeated Hitler, even though that's the image the Americans like to present and spread... Incidentally with movies just like Saving Private Ryan

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17 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

 

I'm not trying to belittle the contribution of the US, France, and the British in the war, don't get me wrong.  But like I said, one shouldn't try to rewrite history. Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, and the Soviets with their Red Army beat and defeated the Nazis. The Americans were simply on Russia's side. 

 

One should see the whole picture, it's not like America came and defeated Hitler, even though that's the image the Americans like to spread... 

SPR is not about any of that.

It's about the Normandy invasion and the battle of France. EVERY country has made films about their war heroism- even countries that were conquered. What is wrong with America doing the same.

Let's face it, ever SINCE WWII we have a pretty horrible legacy of warmongering.😥

14 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

 

Agreed. 

 

The beginning is rather similar, but the climax of HTTF is pure John Williams.... 

Glad you noticed the similarity at the  beginning 😊

Ironically, 49th PARALLEL was a ' propaganda' film intended to spur the U.S. into the war!

 Watched today , it plays as a powerful and deeply moving allegory on the battle.between democracy and Fascism.

Criterion released it. Check out this discussion:

.https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=3&threadID=41174&archive=1

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I wrote it before. I think, one inspiration might have been Non Nobis Domine of Patrick Doyle from Henry V. It also has this pastoral character and is performed in the movie as a Hymn to fallen soldiers.

 

Biggest difference: Since Henry V as a movie is rather a statement against the senselesness of war SPR is rather meant as a monument to celebrate the heroes of war. And I think, that was part of the criticism on the film, that it is far from pacifism, and that kind of WW2 movie propagating that there is something like a "Good War" against evil. In a way that seems to be underlined by the church like soundtrack that seems to underline that something holy is going on.

Of course historically the heroes portraied in the film didn't start the war. It was Hitler and his army. Still it is worth discussing if the movie glorifies war and if yes, if this is a bad thing to do so.

Anyway, the movie is impressive in many was.

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1 minute ago, GerateWohl said:

SPR is rather meant as a monument to celebrate the heroes of war. And I think, that was part of the criticism on the film, that it is far from pacifism, and that kind of WW2 movie propagating that there is something like a "Good War" against evil.

That was my impression the one time I saw it, and why I didn't have to think for a second, just picked War Horse over it.

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3 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

I wrote it before. I think, one inspiration might have been Non Nobis Domine of Patrick Doyle from Henry V. It also has this pastoral character and is performed in the movie as a Hymn to fallen soldiers.

 

I doubt that. HENRY V is very British in sound, SPR is very American. And history is full of hymns dedicated to fallen soldiers. But you're right that they're both in that category,

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5 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

SPR is rather meant as a monument to celebrate the heroes of war. And I think, that was part of the criticism on the film, that it is far from pacifism, and that kind of WW2 movie propagating that there is something like a "Good War" against evil. In a way that seems to be underlined by the church like soundtrack that seems to underline that something holy is going on.

Of course historically the heroes portraied in the film didn't start the war. It was Hitler and his army. Still it is worth discussing if the movie glorifies war and if yes, if this is a bad thing to do so.

Anyway, the movie is impressive in many was.

That's a typical problem of american WWII movies. Band of Brothers is also in some parts that way. Fury (2014) is maybe the worst WW2 film I ever watched.

 

For story and sountrack I prefer War Horse. As a movie I prefer Private Ryan, though. SPR soundtrack lacks the joyful moments that War Horse has. I like both scores, but SPR is more a soundtrack for Good Friday.

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6 hours ago, Thor said:

 

I doubt that. HENRY V is very British in sound, SPR is very American. And history is full of hymns dedicated to fallen soldiers. But you're right that they're both in that category,

One reason for me seing a relation here was that to me Hymn to the Fallen sounded supprisingly british. And why write a choir for the endtitles? There is no choir in the remaining soundtrack. 

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I think the criticism is retrospective.

Following WWII, America assumed the role of " cops of the world" . We have invaded countless countries, overthrown governments and supported anti- Democratic regimes.

As a devoted pacifist, I am ashamed for my country.

But, for one moment in history, we were on the RIGHT SIDE, and helped save civilization.

So, SPR can not in any way be seen as " glorifying" war. Not if you have actually seen it ( Howard Zinn obviously hadn't when he slammed it).

 

 

Fyi Hungary was also a Fascist country and  part of the Axis along with Japan ....Italy....

Nazi Germany.

 

 

My point?

No point.

 

10 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

 

 

Biggest difference: Since Henry V as a movie is rather a statement against the senselesness of war SPR is rather meant as a monument to celebrate the heroes of war. And I think, that was part of the criticism on the film, that it is far from pacifism, and that kind of WW2 movie propagating that there is something like a "Good War" against evil. In a way that seems to be underlined by the church like soundtrack that seems to underline that something holy is going on.

Of course historically the heroes portraied in the film didn't start the war. It was Hitler and his army. Still it is worth discussing if the movie glorifies war and if yes, if this is a bad thing to do so.

An interesting interpretation.

As far as the score goes, it's more mournful than " holy" to my ears

 

As far as " glorifying" war:

I must repeat , SPR was the FIRST major film to show , graphically, what happens to the.human body under.fire.

I saw it in the first run and let me tell you- it was shocking. Nobody was prepared for the images of decapitation, disembowlment, and limbless soldiers.

How this can be called glorification, eludes me.

The soldiers were portrayed as MEN., not heroes. Many acted ignoble or cowardly.

Please try to watch the film objectively and without the baggage of anti- American imperialism.

Germany was an enemy that had to be defeated. All who helped in that cause deserve our praise and thanks.

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10 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

 

 

Biggest difference: Since Henry V as a movie is rather a statement against the senselesness of war SPR is rather meant as a monument to celebrate the heroes of war. And I think, that was part of the criticism on the film, that it is far from pacifism, and that kind of WW2 movie propagating that there is something like a "Good War" against evil. In a way that seems to be underlined by the church like soundtrack that seems to underline that something holy is going on.

Of course historically the heroes portraied in the film didn't start the war. It was Hitler and his army. Still it is worth discussing if the movie glorifies war and if yes, if this is a bad thing to do so.

An interesting interpretation.

As far as the score goes, it's more mournful than " holy" to my ears

 

As far as " glorifying" war:

I must repeat , SPR was the FIRST major film to show , graphically, what happens to the.human body under.fire.

I saw it in the first run and let me tell you- it was shocking. Nobody was prepared for the images of decapitation, disembowlment, and limbless soldiers.

How this can be called glorification, eludes me.

The soldiers were portrayed as MEN., not heroes. Many acted ignoble or cowardly.

Please try to watch the film objectively and without the baggage of anti- American imperialism.

Germany was an enemy that had to be defeated. All who helped in that cause deserve our praise and thanks.

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12 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Germany was an enemy that had to be defeated. All who helped in that cause deserve our praise and thanks.

No doubt. This in the end was a liberation for all including Germany itself. 

The discussion was about if this movie is an appropriat way to thank and praise the heroes. But maybe you are right. I have the movie in my rewatch list anyway. I will give it a try.

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Btw.

Some criticized the images of American flags at the cemetery.

SS deliberately drew the color out . I think that is him  saying our glory has faded since then with our ignoble wars in Vietnam, Iraq and other places

 

 

 

 

"...Nazis attacked only Europe..."

 

The Nazis attacked countries in Africa- El Alamein and " The Desert FOX", CASABLANCA?

 

American and British troops fought the Germans and , shamefully , conquered French soldiers turned collaborators.

 

They also sent U- boats to North America to attack U.S and Canada installations.

And, of course, their subs sunk many Merchant Marine  ships crossing the Atlantic

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This may be the most gripping posts I have ever read--well done and thank you. I find it interesting that all of this was raging during Williams's childhood. I think he even mentions that the music of the war update videos had a big impact of him. 

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