Big John 3 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Both in the same category, though ...Category 79Best Score Soundtrack Album For A Motion Picture, Television Or Other Visual Media (Award to Composer(s) for an original score created specifically for, or as a companion to, a current legitimate motion picture, television show or series or other visual media.)* Catch Me If You CanJohn Williams, composer (John Williams)[DreamWorks] * Harry Potter And The Chamber Of SecretsJohn Williams, composer (John Williams)[Warner Sunset/Nonesuch/Atlantic Records] * The HoursPhilip Glass, composer (Philip Glass)[Nonesuch Records] * The Lord Of The Rings - The Two TowersHoward Shore, composer (Howard Shore)[Reprise Records/WMG Soundtracks] * SeabiscuitRandy Newman, composer (Randy Newman)[Decca Records] See the full list at http://www.grammy.com/awards/grammy/46noms.aspxBigJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Go Howard!!!Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw2285gd 0 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I did not know you were a Howard fan, well atleast someone likes his music, j/k, I will be going for JW. Hope you win bud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I did not know you were a Howard fan, well atleast someone likes his music, j/k, I will be going for JW. Hope you win bud!Of that list I think TTT is the best and most worthy, and it will make up for the fact that the idiots and the Academy Awards deemed TTT ineligable because it was a sequel score.Stefancos- who thinks CMIYC was outstanding, but CoS was sadly lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw2285gd 0 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 yeah they really need lives, i think that all musci is magical and great it brings all of us together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Of that list I think TTT is the best and most worthy . . .Stefancos- who thinks CMIYC was outstanding, but CoS was sadly lacking.Yeah, Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Of that list I think TTT is the best and most worthy, and it will make up for the fact that the idiots and the Academy Awards deemed TTT ineligable because it was a sequel score.Traitor.You should kick yourself out of the Phantom Zone Trio.Well,as for me,Williams can write the crapiest score of his career,I'll still be rooting for him come Oscar or Grammy night,regardless if someone else is clearly worthier.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Well,as for me,Williams can write the crapiest score of his career,I'll still be rooting for him come Oscar or Grammy night,regardless if someone else is clearly worthier. Huzzah for blind devotion! Ray Barnsbury-who's the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Go Howard!!!Stefancos- TREASON!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Hang him, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I hope he wins for CoS,although I think its the least deserving score of his career for somekind of award.Don`t get me wrong,the c.d. is one of his best put togheter albums in a while,but the actual score is another story.I can`t forgive all the cues that were re-recorded from PS by lack of time.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I hope JW wins because I think Shore's score is not very impressive. And because it's John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 So, John Williams should win just because he's John Williams?Stefancos- definatly not a Williams fanboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I think John Williams should win, even though he's not Michael Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Why wasn't Michael Giacchino nominated, the Grammies suck!Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 When are the awards again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I normally don't want to comment stuff like... but when people choose TTT over CoS (or even Catch Me) I do.. I think the first 8 tracks or so of TTT were pretty bad. After that it improved and a couple of the tracks are really good. But one track of CoS has more brilliant composition than the whole album of TTT combined. You can argue that TTT works better in the movie. But not without having seen the movie can you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Harry Potter And The Chamber Of SecretsI certainly dont think that score makes the grade to be nominated for an award.Some wonderful parts in it. But overall, i dont think it's worthy of such a rating.Melange - Just hired some ex-S.A.S to patrol his house, and activated the land mines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Fawkes the Phoenix alone is reason for CoS to win over TTT. The same goes for the CMiYC Main Titles and The Float.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 @Stefancos: John Williams should win because John Williams is more often than not better than anyone who's not John Williams. And guys- This is the Grammies we're talking about, not a real award show. Shore will probably get it since TTT was the most popular movie last year among the MTV generation. Morlock- who thinks there's a difference between being a JW fanboy and thinking JW is the best Molock 2- Who loves all the Simpsons Grammy jokes (Especialy the disclaimer in 'The Mansion Family' episode) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Vincent 8 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I really don't understand why people think anything good about Lord of the Rings because I think it really sucks , even if most of people think not.I really think that John Williams must win for Chamber of Secrets because the soundtrack really worth it, and not just because it is John Williams.But I doubt John Williams can win because two scores are nominated, like for the Academy Awards for Harry Potter and Artificial Intelligence... That year, the best music from far was Harry Potter but didn't win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Funny,I thought it was from A.I.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Fawkes the Phoenix alone is reason for CoS to win over TTT. The same goes for the CMiYC Main Titles and The Float.Ray BarnsburyOh how you speak the truth!!! - Metropolis soundtrack the anime version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 So, John Williams should win just because he's John Williams?Stefancos- definatly not a Williams fanboy.I was just kidding! May the best man win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 But i'm not nominated.Stefancos- bestest Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Hmm Harry Potter, TTT, Catch Me.Well that's stiff competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Nah, Shore's got it nailed.Unless these Grammy judges are baised towards Williams.Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 But i'm not nominated.Stefancos- bestest Man.Delusions of grandeur are priceless. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Nah, Shore's got it nailed.Unless these Grammy judges are baised towards Williams.Stefancos- Hey Williams has won in the past against what many believed were favored scores. The Grammy folks seem to like him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Well Williams is popular isn't he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I don't think Williams should win because he is Williams, but both those scores sour above the drivel that is The Two Towers. Please, I couldn't be more bored if I sat and watched paint dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I don't think Williams should win because he is Williams, but both those scores sour above the drivel that is The Two Towers. Please, I couldn't be more bored if I sat and watched paint dry.Don't know if I feel that strongly- it seems to work halfway decently with the film, but in regards to independent listening, it doesn't hold a candle to anything Williams. Some of those themes sound so cliched when you don't have the film to distract you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Exactly wich themes are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I think the Rohan theme is as basic and cliched as it gets. And Gollum's song is basicaly a terrible Bond song, which is an achievment- as so many of them suck on so many different levels. And I don't care what people say- Torrini is simply Bjork but cheaper. Nothing unique about her singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Your opinion is noted, and utterly rejected.Stefancos- who's sure Morlock feels bad, disagreeing with Stefancos so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 :D Morlock- Who's feeling fine, and doesn't mind if his opinions are utterly rejected by Stefan and his TTT loving mates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw2285gd 0 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Williams should win.....that is all i am saying, due to I dont want to get into another argument about Howard Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 That fiddle was horribly wrong. WHy on earth do I want to think of Ireland when I am watching middle earth. Bad choice, highly unimaginative and completely banal. Bring on a better composer already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw2285gd 0 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 exactly! that is what i am saying....middle earth is music that should not sound like it is from the UNITEd KINGDOM! It should not sound like it is from the islands of new zeland either...the point of this was for it to sound like original music not a irish jig! sorry my howard friends i just dont like howard....it all sounds like orff howard you need new material and a new sense of music.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 That fiddle was horribly wrong. WHy on earth do I want to think of Ireland when I am watching middle earth. Bad choice, highly unimaginative and completely banal. Bring on a better composer already!Oh yeah, we know how brilliantly imaginative it was for Williams to use the celesta the evoke the magical world of Harry Potter...Please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 That fiddle was horribly wrong. WHy on earth do I want to think of Ireland when I am watching middle earth. Bad choice, highly unimaginative and completely banal. Bring on a better composer already!It was actually a Norwegian fiddle, should someone with a outstanding musical background as yourself know this?Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Well, you just slapped yourself in the face. A celeste is an instrument in the orchestra which is like using any other orchestral instrument. It does not invoke a particular environment as an Irish fiddle does. My whole point, as you so brilliantly helped in illustrating is the fact that one should use instruments that do not let me think of anything other than what I am seeing. Celeste invokes children, so it is wisely used. Irish fiddle invokes Ireland so it takes me out of the realm of middle earth. Furthermore, the tune Williams did is completely done for Harry Potter without it sounding like anything else, again, Shore did a tune that sounded Irish...... the result, taking me out of middle earth. So, one other time, I thank you for making my point for me..... What was that quote I love so much "Let's surround ourselves with geniuses to hide our stupidity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 exactly! that is what i am saying....middle earth is music that should not sound like it is from the UNITEd KINGDOM! It should not sound like it is from the islands of new zeland either...the point of this was for it to sound like original music not a irish jig!Two things: First, as Stefan said above, it's a Norwegian instrument, and neither the fiddle nor the theme sounds Irish to me. And no, Middle-earth should certainly not sound totally different from "European" music. Many places and cultures in Tolkien were based on existing locations/people. The Shire is supposed to be the place where Tolkien grew up, and the whole Rohan culture is very Viking-like. A touch of Norwegian music is perfectly appropriate.Marian - who thinks that theme is very beautiful, especially when played by that fiddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Every single person I've spoken too has said it sounded Irish to him. And there is nothing Norwegian about the sound of a Norwegian fiddle. The theme is nice, and great in the movie- but is as basic as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 TTT is the best score of the five, in my opinion, but I would like to see Williams' Potter music get a little recognition for once. I have a feeling Glass is going to win, though, since Williams has already won enough Grammies and, in the eyes of whoever votes for these worthless awards, he doesn't need anymore. Shore has already been awarded for FOTR. But Glass is a "real" composer. They'll probably give it to him.I like LOTR scores overall more than I like the HP scores, but I really like the HP scores a lot, I listen to them quite often. Fawkes Theme and Chamber of Secrets are probably Williams' two best themes since Jurassic Park and Schindlers List. "Night Battle" from First Knight (Goldsmith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I would'nt mind too much if Glass won- The hours, IMO, although not being a great score, is a feel for the movie and makes the ideal reading album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Well, you just slapped yourself in the face. A celeste is an instrument in the orchestra which is like using any other orchestral instrument. It does not invoke a particular environment as an Irish fiddle does. My whole point, as you so brilliantly helped in illustrating is the fact that one should use instruments that do not let me think of anything other than what I am seeing. Celeste invokes children, so it is wisely used. Irish fiddle invokes Ireland so it takes me out of the realm of middle earth. Furthermore, the tune Williams did is completely done for Harry Potter without it sounding like anything else, again, Shore did a tune that sounded Irish...... the result, taking me out of middle earth. So, one other time, I thank you for making my point for me..... What was that quote I love so much "Let's surround ourselves with geniuses to hide our stupidity"Bravo!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 exactly! that is what i am saying....middle earth is music that should not sound like it is from the UNITEd KINGDOM! It should not sound like it is from the islands of new zeland either...the point of this was for it to sound like original music not a irish jig!Two things: First, as Stefan said above, it's a Norwegian instrument, and neither the fiddle nor the theme sounds Irish to me. And no, Middle-earth should certainly not sound totally different from "European" music. Many places and cultures in Tolkien were based on existing locations/people. The Shire is supposed to be the place where Tolkien grew up, and the whole Rohan culture is very Viking-like. A touch of Norwegian music is perfectly appropriate.Marian - who thinks that theme is very beautiful, especially when played by that fiddle. Although I have to say that I find some melodic aspects of the Rohan theme to be weak (just an opinion), I don?t understand all the huff over the Norwegian fiddle. The special features on the extended editions actually give some serious discussion to Tolkien's patterning of LOTR cultures after the cultures of actual people groups. Many of the Rohan characteristics he describes in the books are kind of a combination of Viking and Celtic culture. For example, the description of the Rohan great hall bears much resemblance to the great hall in Beowulf. I?m a little confused about what Wael et al are suggesting- no culture references whatsoever in the music? What exactly should Middle Earth sound like? Of course noone's looking for quotations of folk tunes, but wouldn't cultures that Tolkien himself was borrowing from be the obvious source of inspiration for the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Sorry folks but I am with Mr. Cosman on this one! I really enjoyed the Two Towers score. It was not as good as the first but it was good stuff. Especially the Helm's Deep Battle Tracks near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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