#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 The boxes weren't the twist he has talking about i think. But the fact that the Doctor kept wiping their memories till he finally got it right and negotiated a peace.The drama of the moment is kind of lost once it turns out there's a reset button.This is a recurring problem in the Moffat era. Cleverness at the expense of drama. (Like how the Doctor was never fooled by Davros' as it turned out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 The boxes weren't the twist he has talking about i think. But the fact that the Doctor kept wiping their memories till he finally got it right and negotiated a peace.Ah, I thought 'empty' referred to the empty boxes.Well... the final "this has all happened before" revelation isn't new, but I never disliked it. As long as it's well done, it doesn't cheapen what came before - after all, the characters don't remember the earlier instances, so as far as their actions are concerned, it's still a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 But it robs the scene of its urgency since The Doctor has a reset button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Actually 'empty' did refer to the empty boxes, but the Doctor's memory-erasing didn't help either.I guess he's trying not to use those 'outs', preferring to use persuasion and actually change her character. I can understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,365 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes.But did you ever feel that the world, or the Zygon race was really at stake?For me, it was well enough written and acted to generate suspense as to the outcome (even though anything other than war being avoided was highly unlikely).The fun's not in the Doctor 'winning', it's in how he does so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 So I'm three episodes in and I'm hooked. The second episode "The End of the World' was really strong and occasionally touching. The third episode 'The Unquiet Dead' was okay, not bad but not particularly strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Welcome!Season 1 is uneven to say the least. But when its good, its great.It has an atmosphere that is unique to that one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The Unquiet Dead is a nice first foundation for the Torchwood spinoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Best episode yet with "Father's Day". Wow, that was terrific. I was wondering when they would try their hand at the "The City on the Edge of Forever" type of story line and this didn't disappoint. Quite emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Father's Day definitely brings the nerd tears when Pete figures it out. I like that character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 He could have done better then Jackie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Best episode yet with "Father's Day". Wow, that was terrific. I was wondering when they would try their hand at the "The City on the Edge of Forever" type of story line and this didn't disappoint. Quite emotional.Wait till you get to "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances"..."Yes, I am your mummy" (sniff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Spoilers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 BTW, after watching Sherlock and Doctor Who back to back, I noticed they both make clear references to the "American influence" with some concern. I'm aware that both shows involve Moffat and Gatiss, so maybe that's something they keep wanting to mention, but can any of our British members validate this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 What exactly is your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Best episode yet with "Father's Day". Wow, that was terrific. I was wondering when they would try their hand at the "The City on the Edge of Forever" type of story line and this didn't disappoint. Quite emotional.Wait till you get to "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances"...Just finished the two parter. Very good follow up after "Father's Day". I was starting to get a bit tired of the whole "are you my mommy" thing for an hour and a half but the explanation and ending tied it together nicely and was quite clever.Are they anti-Americans?Nothing like that, I just thought the mention on two different shows about "Americanization" was a bit odd and wondered if it was a popular topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 There has been some complaints about Pandering to American tastes after Moffat took over Doctor Who (season 5)I don't think its that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,365 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I do think that when Who has set episodes in the States it has managed to remain its own 'animal', whereas when large chunks of Torchwood : Miracle Day were set there it undoubtedly lost something (so much so that I never actually finished the series). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 They made a mistake setting Miracle Day in the US, and making it a 10 episode serial. Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 There has been some complaints about Pandering to American tastes after Moffat took over Doctor Who (season 5)I don't think its that bad.It was there during the Matt Smith reign. It got reeled back a lot in Capaldi's tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Just finished the two parter. Very good follow up after "Father's Day". I was starting to get a bit tired of the whole "are you my mommy" thing for an hour and a half but the explanation and ending tied it together nicely and was quite clever.Moffat's next two are two (both of them with Tennant as the Doctor) of the pinnacles of the show. And I love the Matt Smith era that was fully helmed by Moffat, but as individual episodes they're pretty hard to beat.Spoilers!Spoilers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Series 1 is a wrap. Really nice finish with Rose going all kinds of sci-fi on those nasty Daleks. I was sad to see Eccleston go so quickly, thought he and Billie Piper had good chemistry, and was looking forward to seeing their growing attachment and relationship blossom. I expected this sooner or later since I was aware of the regeneration thing but didn't expect it this soon. It'll be weird seeing a new actor playing the same part but in a different way, I anticipate that Rose will be going through the same issues! We'll have the same struggle. Thankfully the show itself so far is reason enough to continue watching. Now if we can find a way to get rid of that dreadful Ricky.....er....Mickey.Oh well, on to the second series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Don't forget to watch the christmas special before the season 2 premiere!You can follow the wikipedia list to make sure you don't miss anythinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials#Ninth_DoctorOf key note is that there's a special that should be watched in the middle of season 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Is that "The Christmas Invasion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Netflix has it billed as the 1st episode of the second season, so it's up next! Shhhhh it's starting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I've watched from "Rose" through the middle of Season 7 since September 30 on Netflix, including all of Torchwood, and I don't think Netflix missed anything important. Just the webisodes and other short BBC exclusives that are difficult to find but that's okay. The Christmas specials were where they needed to be, and all of the Tenth Doctor's specials were there too. Three of ago when I watched these the first time, Planet of the Dead wasn't included. That's kind of an important episode if just for the last five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yea, I'm sure netflix had everything in proper order. Nevermind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yea, I'm sure netflix had everything in proper order. Nevermind!Netflix doesn't have The Night of the Doctor[/], or at least didn't when I did my binge watching. Threw me straight into The Day of the Doctor, and I still haven't seen Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Meh, its just some 5 minute thing, does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It's kinda important since it explains the original of the War Doctor.And for fans its special because the Eight Doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 But its not vital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It's kinda important since it explains the original of the War Doctor.And for fans its special because the Eight DoctorI was a bit confused at the beginning of The Day of the Doctor. It definitely felt like I'd missed something, even if I only found out later that I really had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The whole world was confused. They essentially broke a 50 year continuity by shoving in an extra Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yes, but for me he appeared out of nowhere. With the Eighth Doctor appearing in Night, I imagine it makes a bit more sense....anyway, this whole discussion kinda derailed the season 9 talk. Any thoughts on Sleep No More? It seemed the plainest episode so far. Some potentially interesting ideas didn't go anywhere, so I imagine they're set ups for the next episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'll continue to threaten derailment with my noob commentary! Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The past four episodes of Season 7 that I watched really put me to sleep. It's so dull between when something big happens and the final three when something else happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The past four episodes of Season 77 that I watched really put me to sleep. It's so dull between when something big happens and the final three when something else happens.Season 77?! That's priceless, Woj! Really, though, what do you mean, here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Season 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The past four episodes of Season 77 that I watched really put me to sleep. It's so dull between when something big happens and the final three when something else happens.Season 77?! With a show like this it's not outside the realm of possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well, if you consider both the original series and the reboot, the show already has 36 seasons!FINALLY!!!! Thank-you, Blood.Actually, it's 35 seasons, so far (26 "classic", 1 CE, 3 DT, 3 MS, and 2 PC = 35). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I'm finally into uncharted Doctor Who territory, season 8 and Deep Breath. Is Peter Capaldi always this bonkers? The woman likes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I'm finally into uncharted Doctor Who territory, season 8 and Deep Breath. Is Peter Capaldi always this bonkers? The woman likes him.He gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 That was Eccleston's catch phrase. Capaldi's is "don't hug me, you human twat!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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