MSM 126 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Since there apparantly can't be enough threads about Williams and plagiarism from classical composers, I thought I'd just start another one.Do you think Williams is influenced by classical composers? Please give examples, like: the Jaws Theme seems to be coming from Dvorak 9th Symphony.Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Aaron Copland's RODEO vs John Williams' THE COWBOYS Overture.Bela Bartok's CONCERTO FOR ORCHESTRA, PERCUSSION and CELESTE vs John Williams' "Approaching the Death Star" from ROTJ.Stravinsky's THE RITE OF SPRING vs. Jerry Goldsmith's entire score for THE OMEN. That's enough comparisons, Hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 771 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Well, not counting Holst "Mars" (to be faced with "Rebel Blockade Runner" from Star Wars), the only "big" and clear borrowing I am aware of, is from Prokofiev. Take a listen to the second movement of the Suite Scythe (it is called "Le dieu ennemi et la danse des esprits noirs")... I don't even need to tell you where Williams "quoted" the theme!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 the Holliday Flight music from Home Alone reminds me of some classical piece.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 the Holliday Flight music from Home Alone reminds me of some classical piece.K.M.Tchiakovsky's Nutcracker Suite (Trepak) is the one you are thinking of I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Actually this thread was meant sarcastically. Never mind though :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 the Holliday Flight music from Home Alone reminds me of some classical piece.K.M.Russian Dance from Nucracker Suite by Tschaikovsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Well, not counting Holst "Mars" (to be faced with "Rebel Blockade Runner" from Star Wars), the only "big" and clear borrowing I am aware of, is from Prokofiev. Take a listen to the second movement of the Suite Scythe (it is called "Le dieu ennemi et la danse des esprits noirs")... I don't even need to tell you where Williams "quoted" the theme!!That score is awesome. Do you have a copy of Scythian Suite? Could scan it for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 When I listened to Sibelius' Violin concerto, I was very surprised by the three opening notes. I immediately had a piece of Williams music in my head, but it took me months to figure out it was the opening of the music for the flight to Bespin.Marian - who was very annoyed during the months he didn't know. The Hallelujah Trail (Elmer Bernstein) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus 0 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Superman Love Theme: Richard Strauss's Tod und Verklärung (meant as an homage)Darth Vader's Death: Borrows a passage from Bruckner's 9th Symphony, last movementand Marian, I thought exactly that last I heard it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 You know, I still haven't found that Bruckner thing in ROTJ... and I'm the local Bruckner fanatic. Marian - who has found some Bruckner references in Goldsmith's scores. Marnie (Bernard Herrmann) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I really think Williams listened to a Strauss record before composing Superman, considering that "The Planet Krypton" bears a resemblance to "Also Sprach Zarathustra", which makes total sense when you read what inspired that piece.And then of course there is the "Death and Transfiguration" reference in the love theme. I think there is more to this than a mere coincidence.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,362 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Where is Thor when you need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Over at FSM, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I really think Williams listened to a Strauss record before composing Superman, considering that "The Planet Krypton" bears a resemblance to "Also Sprach Zarathustra", which makes total sense when you read what inspired that piece.And then of course there is the "Death and Transfiguration" reference in the love theme. I think there is more to this than a mere coincidence.NeilDeath and Transfiguration = Tod und Verklärung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You know, I still haven't found that Bruckner thing in ROTJ... and I'm the local Bruckner fanatic. Marian - who has found some Bruckner references in Goldsmith's scores. Marnie (Bernard Herrmann)first two bars of the last movement, the upbeat isn't the same interval as the one Williams use in Vader's death, also Williams goes up on an extra note but the rest is identical until Bruckner fills in with that chord and the strings start sweeping away in a Brucknerish melody...It's pretty much the same idea anyway, and it isn't that far fetched, considering how much of Bruckner's music is deeply serious and even tragic some times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Well, Also Sprach Zarathustra was also about Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Well, Also Sprach Zarathustra was also about Superman you dind't follow Neil's link, did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 i knew it :mrgeen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beethoven 0 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 A march by Antonio Salieri (1750-1825) sounds exactly like the Raiders March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Note by note again or just a 3-4 notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,866 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 A march by Antonio Salieri (1750-1825) sounds exactly like the Raiders March. Which march exactly??? This is very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beethoven 0 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 You can usually find a copy of it on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Im sure, but i dont think he wants to buy the whole discography in order to hear one march... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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