Romão 2,274 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I kinda like the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 You cant say the same about the score, i hope... (the movie is not bad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Even in the score I like some parts. I like Earth, Patricide and Am I not Merciful?. Zimmer has donne much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Are you sure those are by Zimmer? 8OIMO, the best cues are the ones from Lisa Gerrad.Oh, and SHAME ON YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I like Lisa Stansfield too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 187 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 The Romans, really? I always understood they didn't have music notation, and that's why nobody knows what Roman music sounded like.Havent you seen gladiator?!? :roll:You mean the fanfares without any valves playing chromatic flourishes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I have never really understood the hate that some people have for Vangelis. I personally think that most of it stems from Chariots of Fire. Then you got the people, a.k.a. elitists, who think that since he has not had the same training as every other musician in the world, believes his music is invalid and not to be taken seriously.Far be it for him not to be a cookie cutter musician. He personally made a decision early on that he was not going to be like everyone else in his musical training. He's not being pompous when he says that. He feels that he in order for him to produce the kind of music he wants or rather the type of artist he wants to be, he needs to do it the way he wants. That is his choice, and he has been very successful and has made a lot of money from it.Also, I doubt many of you have even heard anything from him beyond three or four soundtracks. Many of his best works is from his other albums. He is not a classical composer, nor does he claim to be. So cut it out with the elitist attitudes for something you know nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I was wondering how long it'd take you to join in this thread. Welcome Stew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I was wondering how long it'd take you to join in this thread. Welcome Stew I think it's time to bring back my old avatar. It got me fired up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony69 0 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 hans zimmer is not a very good musician, according to musicians in the industry. he's good with technology etc, but not what a real composer should be doing. that is, write with a pencil and paper at a piano without layering zillions of things on top of an overly simplistic theme. hans zimmer is also known in the industry as a hummer. he doesn't really read/notate his stuff. he kinda improvises, comes up with a good theme, and midi-inputs it into the computer which notates it for him. hence, his music is overly simplistic and sounds like a bad aeolian melody over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 hans zimmer is not a very good musician, according to musicians in the industry. he's good with technology etc, but not what a real composer should be doing. that is, write with a pencil and paper at a piano without layering zillions of things on top of an overly simplistic theme. hans zimmer is also known in the industry as a hummer. he doesn't really read/notate his stuff. he kinda improvises, comes up with a good theme, and midi-inputs it into the computer which notates it for him. hence, his music is overly simplistic and sounds like a bad aeolian melody over and over again.If that's the case, then any half-wit and his dog could be a composer. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I have never really understood the hate that some people have for Vangelis. I personally think that most of it stems from Chariots of Fire. Then you got the people, a.k.a. elitists, who think that since he has not had the same training as every other musician in the world, believes his music is invalid and not to be taken seriously.Far be it for him not to be a cookie cutter musician. He personally made a decision early on that he was not going to be like everyone else in his musical training. He's not being pompous when he says that. He feels that he in order for him to produce the kind of music he wants or rather the type of artist he wants to be, he needs to do it the way he wants. That is his choice, and he has been very successful and has made a lot of money from it.Also, I doubt many of you have even heard anything from him beyond three or four soundtracks. Many of his best works is from his other albums. He is not a classical composer, nor does he claim to be. So cut it out with the elitist attitudes for something you know nothing about.Erm...what? :?I was listening to his early stuff when some people were in their diapers dude, Vangelis Papathanasiou has released a lot of good stuff outside the film world. But his film scoring is mediocre full stop. I cannot take someone who fuffles about with keyboards and place him next to John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith and all the greats of this craft. SorryAnd with the first grade film music school type of melodies and orchestrations? Enough, please, no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I cannot take someone who fuffles about with keyboards and place him next to John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith and all the greats of this craft. Sorry Who is? I don't see anybody around here comparing V to those guys.And with the first grade film music school type of melodies and orchestrations? Enough, please, no more Is there a gun placed to your head that we don't know about?Besides, V is not about complex melodies and orchestrations. That's not his style, nor should he be required to do such, just because some say so. He is not a classical composer. And considering how talented he is, if he wanted to do complex orchestrations and what not, he could probably do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I cannot take someone who fuffles about with keyboards and place him next to John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith and all the greats of this craft. Sorry Who is? I don't see anybody around here comparing V to those guys.It's not about comparisons, it's about quality of film music writing.Just because people like the guy it doesn't mean I cannot express my opinion about his music. And I'm sorry but as a listener I have been 'spoled' by the greats and I cringe when I hear certain cues.He is a mediocre film music composer and that is that as far as I'm concerned. Is there a gun placed to your head that we don't know about?Besides, V is not about complex melodies and orchestrations. That's not his style, nor should he be required to do such, just because some say so. He is not a classical composer. And considering how talented he is, if he wanted to do complex orchestrations and what not, he could probably do it.OK , look, I stated before why I personally have a problem with people who have this kind of attitude towards music and I'm not about to argue the same thing again.And my feelings about orchestrations and melodic writing is something that frustrates me about composers for over 6-7 years now. So it wasn't only about 'V' but a more general thing even though it applies to him more than anyone else in the business.On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. He he, I'll might do if I find some time,I dug out The Dragon album (197something) the other day and he looked like a werewolf bless him. It was the 70's after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. He he, I'll might do if I find some time,I dug out The Dragon album (197something) the other day and he looked like a werewolf bless him. It was the 70's after all That's one that I don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,349 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 That's one that I don't have.A friend of mine has it. Quite freaky stuff.He is a mediocre film music composer and that is that as far as I'm concerned. I'm spoiled too but Blade Runner is perfect. He practically IS the movie. He captured the soul of that film. No Williams or Goldsmith could've done it better.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 He is a mediocre film music composer and that is that as far as I'm concerned. I'm spoiled too but Blade Runner is perfect. He practically IS the movie. He captured the soul of that film. No Williams or Goldsmith could've done it better.----------------Alex CremersThat's the one movie I like from all of his work on films. The synths gave the film a colour but I think it's a one off thing.I did like the film too. It was very unusual for the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 He is a mediocre film music composer and that is that as far as I'm concerned. I'm spoiled too but Blade Runner is perfect. He practically IS the movie. He captured the soul of that film. No Williams or Goldsmith could've done it better.----------------Alex CremersI couldn't agree more. Which goes to show you that classical style is not always better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Blader runner is boring both movie and score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. He he, I'll might do if I find some time,I dug out The Dragon album (197something) the other day and he looked like a werewolf bless him. It was the 70's after all That's one that I don't have.Ah, I could copy it (if it's acceptable around here :oops: ) but it's on vinylMucho appreciated if you could put it to CD. PM me if you are willing to do it.I could hook you up there Stewdog. I have both Hypothesis and The Dragon on vinyl (both bootleg vinyl records.) They both fit onto one CD and I transferred them to CD a few years ago. Both feature violin work by long-time Vangelis friend Michel Ripoche (China). I don't have the CD with me it's in the UK, but I could make you a copy in May when I go back.James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,349 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Blader runner is boring both movie and score Never heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 187 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Besides, V is not about complex melodies and orchestrations. That's not his style, nor should he be required to do such, just because some say so. He is not a classical composer. And considering how talented he is, if he wanted to do complex orchestrations and what not, he could probably do it.That's exactly the problem some people (including me) might have... Setting aside the issue if one thinks him overly talented or not, nobody can do complex orchestrations "and what not" with merely talent. That takes training.-Chris, who doesn't hate Vangelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Blader runner is boring both movie and score 8ONever heard of it.LOL :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Blader runner is boring both movie and score 8ONever heard of it.LOL :oops:Movie about replicants with weak runny bladders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 If that's the case, then any half-wit and his dog could be a composer.So, what's your point then? 8OI don't *hate* Hans Zimmer, but I don't like him and his attitude. I'll never forgive him what he did to Batman Begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Besides, V is not about complex melodies and orchestrations. That's not his style, nor should he be required to do such, just because some say so. He is not a classical composer. And considering how talented he is, if he wanted to do complex orchestrations and what not, he could probably do it.That's exactly the problem some people (including me) might have... Setting aside the issue if one thinks him overly talented or not, nobody can do complex orchestrations "and what not" with merely talent. That takes training.-Chris, who doesn't hate Vangelis.Yeah, that's it,Also I don't hate Vangelis, I just dislike his film music ethic.In fact I don't remember hating any composer.On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. 8OHe he, I'll might do if I find some time,I dug out The Dragon album (197something) the other day and he looked like a werewolf bless him. It was the 70's after all That's one that I don't have.Ah, I could copy it (if it's acceptable around here :oops: ) but it's on vinylMucho appreciated if you could put it to CD. PM me if you are willing to do it.I could hook you up there Stewdog. I have both Hypothesis and The Dragon on vinyl (both bootleg vinyl records.) They both fit onto one CD and I transferred them to CD a few years ago. Both feature violin work by long-time Vangelis friend Michel Ripoche (China). I don't have the CD with me it's in the UK, but I could make you a copy in May when I go back.James I think it's best to go with James, it's a pain for me to do a transfer at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,349 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 So, Salacius, what other works do you know from the Greek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 So, Salacius, what other works do you know from the Greek?Mainly old stuff and the latest soundtracks,I was listening to his music when I was a kid but there is no way I can remember titles.I dug out Dragon the other day and off course I have heard Alexander, 1492 Conquest of paradise and Blade runner.The synth works I heard ages ago it was the one that got him established (can't remember the title to save my life!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,349 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 'Beaubourg'' is experimental and rather complex (in an abstract sense). There's no rhythms or simple, overt melodies on that one. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Anyone who questions Elfman's composing techniques should watch the featurette on the Men in Black II Bonus DVD.. It's really informative.Regarding Vagnelis... I'm really not a fan... And like someone else said, compared to the greats like Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, he's just insignificant.. His music is so bland, and messy, and eugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Besides, V is not about complex melodies and orchestrations. That's not his style, nor should he be required to do such, just because some say so. He is not a classical composer. And considering how talented he is, if he wanted to do complex orchestrations and what not, he could probably do it.That's exactly the problem some people (including me) might have... Setting aside the issue if one thinks him overly talented or not, nobody can do complex orchestrations "and what not" with merely talent. That takes training.-Chris, who doesn't hate Vangelis.I hear what you say. I'm didn't mean to say that he could just simply start doing it he wanted to. Just that considering how talented he is, that if he wanted to he could. Of course all the training would come with that. I think he's a bit too old now to start. On the other hand I like his other works a lot so it's not like I hate the guy. Film music wise he is not doing it for me and that's all.Cool. We'll leave it at that. Now go listen to Soil Festivities. He he, I'll might do if I find some time,I dug out The Dragon album (197something) the other day and he looked like a werewolf bless him. It was the 70's after all That's one that I don't have.Ah, I could copy it (if it's acceptable around here :oops: ) but it's on vinylMucho appreciated if you could put it to CD. PM me if you are willing to do it.I could hook you up there Stewdog. I have both Hypothesis and The Dragon on vinyl (both bootleg vinyl records.) They both fit onto one CD and I transferred them to CD a few years ago. Both feature violin work by long-time Vangelis friend Michel Ripoche (China). I don't have the CD with me it's in the UK, but I could make you a copy in May when I go back.James That would be sweet! Hook up a brotha from antha motha! Actually that would be greatly appreciated. Just let me know when you are able to do it. I'll pay for shipping if need be.thanks,Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I have never really understood the hate that some people have for Vangelis. I personally think that most of it stems from Chariots of Fire. Then you got the people, a.k.a. elitists, who think that since he has not had the same training as every other musician in the world, believes his music is invalid and not to be taken seriouslyOddly, I just finished watching Chariots of Fire for the first time ever just a few mins ago. With the exception of the excellent main theme (which AFAIK was only used in the end credits, though i admit to missing the first hlf hr), I simply cannot believe this was chosen over Raiders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 187 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I hear what you say. I'm didn't mean to say that he could just simply start doing it he wanted to. Just that considering how talented he is, that if he wanted to he could. Of course all the training would come with that. I think he's a bit too old now to start. Yes... and if I took some years of courses I could make splendid vases from clay. Does that mean I am a genial potter right now? All your saying is Vangelis could be a great composer... he isn't as of now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I hear what you say. I'm didn't mean to say that he could just simply start doing it he wanted to. Just that considering how talented he is, that if he wanted to he could. Of course all the training would come with that. I think he's a bit too old now to start. Yes... and if I took some years of courses I could make splendid vases from clay. Does that mean I am a genial potter right now? All your saying is Vangelis could be a great composer... he isn't as of now He is a great composer as of now, he just isn't a classical composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 All this chat has got me onto a Vangelis kick. I've just ordered a CD of Earth, his 1973 masterpiece. It used to be one of my my favourite albums back in the day. As I haven't had a record player in about 15 years it must have been at least that long since I last heard it. It'll be interesting to see if it really is as mind-blowingly good as I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 All this chat has got me onto a Vangelis kick. I've just ordered a CD of Earth, his 1973 masterpiece. It used to be one of my my favourite albums back in the day. As I haven't had a record player in about 15 years it must have been at least that long since I last heard it. It'll be interesting to see if it really is as mind-blowingly good as I remember.Where did you order that CD from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,349 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 All this chat has got me onto a Vangelis kick. I've just ordered a CD of Earth, his 1973 masterpiece. Hehe, that's funny, pixie twinkle, yesterday I was at a second-hand music shop and I bought "See You Later" on vinyl. The LP looks like new! I never used to like this album but last week I listened to the clips at Amazon and suddenly I was won over by its sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 All this chat has got me onto a Vangelis kick. I've just ordered a CD of Earth, his 1973 masterpiece. It used to be one of my my favourite albums back in the day. As I haven't had a record player in about 15 years it must have been at least that long since I last heard it. It'll be interesting to see if it really is as mind-blowingly good as I remember.Where did you order that CD from?I used "buy it now" on Ebay. It's a brand new factory sealed CD. I got lucky, it was only $14.99 plus shipping. I've seen these go for much more. I'm very excited to hear it again after all these years. Alex, enjoy See You Later. Side 1 is quite a departure for Vangelis (although Memories of Green later appeared on the Bladerunner soundtrack). I wish I could find it on CD. I remember enjoying that album a lot too, though it took me by surprise the amount of vocals first time I played it. It was made right in the middle of the Jon and Vangelis phase, which probably explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I used "buy it now" on Ebay. It's a brand new factory sealed CD. I got lucky, it was only $14.99 plus shipping. I've seen these go for much more. I'm very excited to hear it again after all these years. Wow, you did get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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