#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 He's been doing well lately, Memoirs, Munich and WOTW all sounded very crisp and clear, and I don't have any huge complaints about ROTS.Anyone else think that he's definatly crawled out of that slump he was in a few ears back? (A.I, Minority Report, The Scorpion King, AOTC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I agree. His recent recordings have been very good. Few years back his recordings seemed to lack in number of areas. Mostly I was annoyed by the muffled sound and e.g. AOTC seems little subdued (that was also due orchestrations as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I noticed A.I. snd aotC were sub-par,but I haven't listened enough to Minority Report.the drums in RotS could be louderK.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 ROTS is pretty good, but I found it missing a certain Oomph in the recording or mixing or the action music that WOTW for instance did have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 does anyone else hear some noise pollution similar to the TV frequency on the opening of Memoirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 ROTS is pretty good, but I found it missing a certain Oomph in the recording or mixing or the action music that WOTW for instance did haveThe timpani in WotW are mixed much better.The lack of Oompf in RotS is especially noticeable in Enter Lord Vader and Anakin's Dark Deeds.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 That time off Williams took in 2003 seems to have helped Murphy more than anyone else. Since PoA the scores have been sounding much better than the '00-'02 ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 The lack of Oompf in RotS is especially noticeable in Enter Lord Vader and Anakin's Dark Deeds.K.M.Those two tracks on the OST, I completely agree with. However Battlefront 2 features the film version mix for the middle half of Moving Things Along (AKA Enter Lord Vader) when Anakin arrives on Mustafar. You'd have to use a DVD rip though to complete the cue.For Anakin's Dark Deeds again Galaxies: Rage Of The Wookies the cue mus_avatar_platform_final from 0:35-0:55 features the film version mix with the stronger cymbol clash and drums.Same for Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan...good portion of the film version mix is in Battlefront 2. I don't know why they didn't include the film version mixes on the OST. I personally perfer those than the OST mixes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I think a lot of that percussion was added afterward and was not part of Williams' original intentions. Like the soft DotF Sanskrit chants in TPM.John- who prefers the OST, lighter on percussion versions of those cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Well they did do a seperate recording just for precussion only and yes it was over-dubbed in a few of the cues. I myself alone think they were ment to be there and Williams wanted them louder? To me it gives the music the more militaryish feeling to it...especially the film version mix for the latter half of "Moving Things Along." That is just my opinion though. Like it or you don't, I don't give a frack either way lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 The timpani in WotW are mixed much better.K.M.This oculd be due to the fact that they were recorded at the same time as the Orchestra......for ROTS there is plenty of evidence that they weren't on several occasions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,225 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Murphy has been back on track since the excellent POA.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I think a lot of that percussion was added afterward and was not part of Williams' original intentions. Like the soft DotF Sanskrit chants in TPM.John- who prefers the OST, lighter on percussion versions of those cuesI prefer those added Sith chants in TPM, one of the better music editorial decisions in that film. Some of the added percussion in ROTS is better in some cues than in others. And Williams used quite a few percussion overdubs in ROTS if I remember correctly. And they were clearly his intention. Not all but in numerous cues.POA was a stellar job by Murphy. He should try to keep that sound in his recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 POA was a stellar job by Murphy. He should try to keep that sound in his recordings.I don't think it works that way, Incanus. A recordist will look for an appropriate sound to match the film. An intimate film needs a more intimate sound, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 POA was a stellar job by Murphy. He should try to keep that sound in his recordings.I don't think it works that way, Incanus. A recordist will look for an appropriate sound to match the film. An intimate film needs a more intimate sound, etc.Totally agreed but for some reason e.g. 2002 Williams scores were missing little Oomph in their sound. And perhaps the most lifeless sound in recent Williams score is Patriot. Though you can't blame sound recordist for the missing of Oomph all the time. The Oomph might be also missing from the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 And perhaps the most lifeless sound in recent Williams score is Patriot. Well, Shawn must've felt his life pouring out of him while he was watching this film. I can't blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 And perhaps the most lifeless sound in recent Williams score is Patriot. Well, Shawn must've felt his life pouring out of him while he was watching this film. I can't blame him. LOL Most definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 That time off Williams took in 2003 seems to have helped Murphy more than anyone else. Since PoA the scores have been sounding much better than the '00-'02 ones.Well, I guess that's because John Williams realized that too and went for a few scores (SS, CoS) without him. Then Shawn really pulled himself together, so John would have a reason to call him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antineutrino 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Let's face it, Shawn Murphy on a bad day is still better than Dan Wallin on a bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Moonraker still sounds better then A.I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antineutrino 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 But A.I. sounds much better than Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 I'm sorry, if you believe that then you are either deaf or stupid.TLC has very good sound, some people just seem to forget that it's a smaller orchestra then the first 2 Indiana Jones films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 It is? I didn't know that. The sound is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Well it's an 85 piece orchestra, certainly not small, but I've always assumed the other scores for the other 2 (particulary TOD) were bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antineutrino 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 TLC sounds good?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yeah, what is wrong with it, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Temple if Doom was recorded in Los Angeles but I don't know the size of the orchestra. But I agree the TLC sounds thinner than the first two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antineutrino 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I agree with Mark. TLC sounds "thin", especially for a 1989 recording. TOD sounds much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 I don't think the smaller sound has anything to do with the recording.TOD was a HUGE and loud score that had everything and the kitchen sink.TLC is a more refined score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antineutrino 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 But TLC also had some action music and I don't think that it sounds nearly as good as TOD. This is the first time I read that somebody actually likes the TLC recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 I really don't see what is wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I prefer those added Sith chants in TPM, one of the better music editorial decisions in that film.Totally agree. The only bad ones are in the cue where Amidala confronts Nute Gunray in the throne room towards the end of the battle.John- who has no problems with the sound of LC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I really don't see what is wrong with it.Oh there's nothing wrong with it just sounds a little thinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 TLC was recorded and edited/mixed in the analog domain, as was Schindler's List - maybe just to give them an "older" sound.A = analogD = digitalOn the CD packaging you'll see the "AAD". If I understand correctly, the first letter is how the orchestra was recorded; the second, to do with the editing; and the third, the method in which the final tracks were transfered to the CD. Does that make sense?Matt, who thinks the trombone section in TLC could have had a stronger sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 All three Indiana Jones CDs are analog recordings.AAD: analog recording, analog mixing, digital transferADD: analog recording, digital mixing, digital transferDDD: digital recording, digital mixing, digital transferTLC was recorded and edited/mixed in the analog domain, as was Schindler's List - maybe just to give them an "older" sound.Analog doesn't sound older, if anyting, analog sounds fatter (not thinner) because of analog distortion, often referred to as "warmth".----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 All three Indiana Jones CDs are analog recordings.Alex, what is your source for this?According to the LP I own, TOD is digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think TOD sounds great, and LC sounds great, its just that I prefer TOD. TOD is a top 10 JW score, or top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 The first one is too old to be digital and the third one says so on the CD. Temple of Doom might indeed be digital. However, the CD gives us no info. Usually, in those days, they took every chance they got to advertise it as digitally recorded. People believed that only digital recordings were good. Today people know better and the three letter codes are seldom used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,225 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 TLC sounds good?!?! TLC sounds fine. Not stellar, but fine. AI, on the other hand, is among the worst-sounding CDs I've ever heard.And speaking of A/D differences, I still fail to see what point there is in a DAD recording? I.e. a digital recording transferred to analogue media for mixing or whatever, and then back to the digital domain for release.Marian - who thinks the hiss on Red October was absolutely unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Well, digital recording was first done in the mid to late 70s, but more as an experiment, I have no idea when they started to do it commercially.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,225 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think labels started switching to digital recordings around 1983. At least that seems to be when Deutsche Grammophone made the switch. And those early digital recordings sound clearly inferior to their 60s/70s recordings remastered on the Originals series.Marian - who doesn't really know about other labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I've had this CD since 1985, its one of the first I ever got. Songs from the Big Chair by Tears for Fears was my very 1st ever CD purchase.It was indeed digital, as you can clearly see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Hey since when did Shawn Murphy started working for John Williams? I mean the recordings for John williams music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I believe Empire of the Sun was the first Williams score for which he was credited as score mixer.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Shawn Murphy, back on track! and He's been doing well lately, Memoirs, Munich and WOTW all sounded very crisp and clear, and I don't have any huge complaints about ROTS.Thats good that means the score for Indiana Jones IV is gonna be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,355 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I believe Empire of the Sun was the first Williams score for which he was credited as score mixer.However, the album was remixed by Armin Steiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Armin Steinerdidn't he play Quark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 Armin Shimerman played Quark on DS9.Armin Steiner mixed the CD release of the DS9 pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Armin Shimmerman played Quark on DS9.Actually it's "Shimerman" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 The first one is too old to be digitalNo, filmscores were recorded digitally as early as 1978 or 78.But since Raiders was done in London, it's mkost likely good old analogue.Temple of Doom might indeed be digital. However, the CD gives us no info. Usually, in those days, they took every chance they got to advertise it as digitally recorded. People believed that only digital recordings were good. Today people know better and the three letter codes are seldom used.Well this is true, the CD of Star Trek II says Digital Recording, however a Star trek Compilation CD from 1991 states that TWOK was AAD.In the 80's they printed the world DIGITAL on just about any audio device, preferably as big as possible.I've owned tape recorders from those days that were DIGITAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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