Jay 43,027 Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 I think we should rename my "John Williams Temple Of Doom cue names" thread into "Official Sheet music analysis and discussion thread" or something along those lines and have this conversation over there
Jay 43,027 Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Well that thread has already become a discussion of all 3 Indy scores, and has been the place people are uploading mp3s of unreleased sections of sheet music.I dunno, just a suggestion
Lurker 5 Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 I think we should rename my "John Williams Temple Of Doom cue names" thread into "Official Sheet music analysis and discussion thread" or something along those lines and have this conversation over there Hmmmmmmmmm, no.Neil
fommes 161 Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Looking forward to it, John.Meanwhile, in case anyone's interested, the track list of my edit can be found in the Original Trilogy Resource thread.
John Takis 387 Posted March 16, 2009 Author Posted March 16, 2009 Some e-mail communications shenanigans slowed things down, but it's finally up.
Ollie 1,305 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 John,Going off the Special Edition disc I would imagine cue 2M4 underscores The probe transmitting, Han & Chewie's encounter with the probe droid up to the first scene of the Imperial Fleet.In the film the begining of that cue is used to underscore the probe droid launching from the star destroyer. Was it tracked into the scene or was it originally composed for the begining and randomly added to the cue on the album. Or is the album sequenced correctly?
Jay 43,027 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 The album is not sequenced correctlyThe track on the SE contains 1m2 New Start, followed by 1m2 Insert Bar 80, followed by 2m4In other words, the music that you called "the beginning of that cue" is 1m2 New Start, *NOT* 2m4, which doesn't begin in the track until after 1m2 Insert bar 80 finishes.
Datameister 2,450 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Going off the Special Edition disc I would imagine cue 2M4 underscores The probe transmitting, Han & Chewie's encounter with the probe droid up to the first scene of the Imperial Fleet.Sorry to speak for you, John, but that cue was indeed supposed to be for those scenes.In the film the begining of that cue is used to underscore the probe droid launching from the star destroyer. Was it tracked into the scene or was it originally composed for the begining and randomly added to the cue on the album. Or is the album sequenced correctly?I don't believe it's used when the probe launches. What you're hearing is the "new start" to 1M2, which was written for that scene, as was the original 1M2, which is what you hear immediately after the main titles on the RCA.
Datameister 2,450 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 He tended to refer to Indiana Jones as "Indie" rather than "Indy," too.
Trent B 348 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Nicely done John.By the way speaking of "Imperial Probe" has anyone ever edited it together on how it's supposed to be? Well I mean the film version piece where it's supposed to go?Edit: Man oh man, "Vadar"? LOL That's too hilarious.
Jay 43,027 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I did so back in 1997 on audio cassette!And again a few years later on the computer.That's an easy one
Datameister 2,450 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I have, Trent. It works pretty well, except the two cues are mixed differently on the RCA release, which makes for a somewhat obvious edit, unfortunately.
Jay 43,027 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 People on the board have un-Risner'd the Risner mixes (opened the stereo channel, etc). Its not perfect but it helps
Datameister 2,450 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Hmmm...I'd be interested in the details of how one would do that. Simple EQing, or is it more involved? Something Audacity can handle?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I never had a problem with the SE mix. I know some people went nuts over it, like that jurassic park guy.
Jay 43,027 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Hmmm...I'd be interested in the details of how one would do that. Simple EQing, or is it more involved? Something Audacity can handle?I'd like to know myselfI never had a problem with the SE mix. I know some people went nuts over it, like that jurassic park guy.The sound QUALITY is fine, but half the tracks are mixed one way, and half another.Look at this chart and do some comparisons with headphones on and you'll immediately realize it.http://www.freewebs.com/cerrabore/esbcues.pdf
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Hmmm...I'd be interested in the details of how one would do that. Simple EQing, or is it more involved? Something Audacity can handle?I'd like to know myselfI never had a problem with the SE mix. I know some people went nuts over it, like that jurassic park guy.The sound QUALITY is fine, but half the tracks are mixed one way, and half another.Look at this chart and do some comparisons with headphones on and you'll immediately realize it.http://www.freewebs.com/cerrabore/esbcues.pdfTo be honest, I'm not sure I really want to realize it. I don't have the knowhow or the inclination to fix it, so I'd rather not have my favourite CD ruined as a listening experience for me.
Trent B 348 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 The Risner mixes for Empire really suck big time. I wished Risner had not remixed the cues.
Henry B 51 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Hmmm...I'd be interested in the details of how one would do that. Simple EQing, or is it more involved? Something Audacity can handle?I'd like to know myselfYou can't fix it with home audio equipment. There are various techniques you can use to improve the sound (reduce treble, widen stereo spread, etc.), but there's no way to actually remix the music. I find it much easier to just use the original Tomlinson mixes from the Anthology. There are a few spots in the score, however, for which only the Risner mixes are available. That's when you get to work EQing. Here are some figures I jotted down a couple years ago when I was working on this:2400Hz -3 db6000Hz -6 db15kHz -9 dbvolume -1.5 dbDefault reverbMastering Width "Mastering Width" is a preset in Cool Edit Pro that expands the stereo field by some degree (which I don't remember anymore). I'm not sure what I meant by "Default reverb." Probably no reverb. There's no reason you should have to use any. I also can't promise the volume figure is correct, as these are notes specifically for "Main Title/The Ice Planet Hoth" and no other track.
Neimoidian 14 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I am curious what the M stands for in all these 1M2 and so forth?
Jay 43,027 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 1m1 = reel 1, cue 17m4 = reel 7, cue 4What the M actually stands for I don't know
Neimoidian 14 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 What the M actually stands for I don't know
Chris ChrusherComix 67 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Really cool to see these. Thanks, John!
Maurizio 6,044 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 He tended to refer to Indiana Jones as "Indie" rather than "Indy," too.Yep. Also, he has a sly humor when giving titles to some cues (one of my fave is from The Phantom Menace: "Gone Fishin'")
Ollie 1,305 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I believe he had some amusing ones for the Towering Inferno as well.
Luke Skywalker 2,223 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Nothing's better than Once In A Vial from TODwhat about 'willie in the fryer' Anybody notices that Giacchino also writes many puns in his tracknames?
Datameister 2,450 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Yeah, it kinda bugs me with Giacchino sometimes, but heck, the music is so fun that I don't mind. With original cue names, it doesn't matter - the public (normally) doesn't see those.
John Crichton 4 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Nothing's better than Once In A Vial from TODBen Creeps AroundThe Great DualSearching for the Script (I had a lot of fun with that one)
Jim Ware 589 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Nothing's better than Once In A Vial from TODBen Creeps AroundThe Great DualSearching for the Script (I had a lot of fun with that one)I've always been rather fond of 'Gone Fishin' from The Phantom Menace (and there's always 'Ben and Luke on a Log').
Luke Skywalker 2,223 Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 was there any clear info about the end credits last four blasts? Just to clarify if the Vadar connection is intended or not...
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