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  1. I currently find March of Resistance to be more compelling. but I am fond of the flag parade because when I first got the ep 1 soundtrack, flag parade is the one track that I played on loop non-stop continuously.
  2. it's like a vii7/V in E flat major, and he skips the V completely. it's cool. I played it to myself inserting a V there before the resolution and god it sounded super dopey. it makes me think of any of strauss's glorious modulations but that's probably just because i listen to unhealthy quantities of strauss
  3. i guess we disagree. i thought the music transition was spectacular. If they didn't have the drone camera zoom out i probably wouldn't miss it, but no complaints for the music in that scene. "Rey, these are your first steps." for me the completion (finally!) of the force theme was exclamation enough.I think it handles the modulation better than ROTS did, maybe because the melody stays in motion instead of reaching an arrival point. I always get goosebumps when the bass walks down to flat VI in the second part of that phrase; and in this one he sweeps the music onward while you're still feeling that sensation, unlike ROTS where (I felt that) he lets it subside before the abrupt modulation. It worked for me.
  4. Dies irae is quoted so frequently, with purpose, that I find it hard to imagine it was a total coincidence. At the very very least, he only noticed the similarity after writing it, and decided to keep it - there's no way that could have escaped his notice.
  5. it's odd because apparently Poe was originally just killed off and left dead, but they changed it to bring him back and keep him in the story. the thing is, BB8 belongs to him. BB8 needs to be kept as a major character, which means Poe is involved or you kill him off and take his droid, right? One of my favourite parts is in the end credits medley, when they take the Finn music and segue directly into Poe's music, and keep the running ostinato going behind it. It works fantastically well. Maybe they both seem to lack development because they are linked in that way. The way Finn's 2+2+2+2+3 polymeter transforms into poe's 6/8 + 3/4 makes me feel alive, and I feel it is a lot stronger than any of the times his theme is introduced on-screen.
  6. i don't think star wars just gets handed over, cold, to somebody new. i feel like he'd bring in more help and delegate some of the writing (as he currently does with the orchestration), under his guidance, and taper off until he is just a consultant and someone else is writing. which probably means that it would not be some big name with their own identity and individual style.
  7. I suspect that the bit near the end of the credits with Rey's theme superimposed on the force theme was intended to be part of that jedi steps sequence, but ultimately didn't fit so they took it out and gave it its own spot in the credits. It would fit really well in a concert version of jedi steps. here's hoping.
  8. I've been having a blast writing stuff out by ear, but should probably just buy this
  9. horn quartet, instead of bringing in the entire orchestra for the second half, keep it just in the horns
  10. I'm doing the same, catching up on all the old ones and really enjoying it. Jimmy's growing on me. At first I felt like all he did was slow it down and take screen time away from Dave Collins, but it's really not that bad. He has some really meaningful and thoughtful things to say here and there, and the impersonations are hilarious. Dave Collins could certainly save some time and never lose content simply by avoiding the question "do you remember this one, Jimmy?"
  11. It's definitely marchable the whole way through. but a fugue in the middle is a little bit atypical for that. and on a few occasions those offbeat bass notes might cause somebody to stumble.
  12. i think that might be the one that shows up all the time with R2 and threepio It happens a bunch in this scene (when r2 is swimming around and afterwards) apparently also in the threepio+R2 scenes on Hoth, and some of the threepio scenes on cloud city. (praise dave collins for unearthing that one)
  13. We will have a new "Luki, Jedi master" theme. maybe that's what jedi steps will become. His swashbuckling action hero theme has kind of been appropriated by others.
  14. I'd say that most of his stuff is more complex harmonically and rhythmically than this. but the advanced counterpoint stuff only shows up occasionally.
  15. here's my go at it. Got to the end of the fugato exposition (if that's the right descriptor). I am sure I made mistakes (particularly inner voices) and some of my writing is a little disorganized (when 3 voices are moving at once it's tough), and I feel like there must be some suspensions or something that I missed during the last D minor bit. March_of_the_Resistance.pdf
  16. I really like your posts, and look forward to your thoughts on episode VII. I've been nerding out all over it and trying to do my own wannabe analysis.
  17. Right now, at 7 seconds of Follow Me I hear similarity to 0:58 of jedi steps (the dark part). it also reminds me of other things.
  18. The augmented 4th may have been disallowed in early vocal music fof voice leading purposes, but those rules hardly apply anymore. even Bach back in the 1700s redefined and twisted the rules in such incredible and progressive ways, you'd see tritones and wicked modulations that others would not dare. With the tritone, he's kind of implying an F7 leading us to B flat, a harmonic pattern that is entirely traditional within g minor, although he may not actually complete the chords in the orchestra. The melody ending on the leading tone is part of the cadential figure. On those two eighth notes we get a iv-V (c minor-D major), and the bass instruments use their little run to give V-i, a very standard cadence. The harmonies are surprisingly traditional throughout this piece, and stylistically it stands out from the rest of the soundtrack. I am reminded of romantic composers writing a fugato in the development section of a symphony movement, and in that sense i agree with 19th century influences. Because this is a concert version and not just a movie cue, it means the form and structure are self-contained, not interwoven with on screen action. I'm trying to continue the transcription... got most of the way into the fugato
  19. gonna listen to it right now They started getting into some nice stuff, but the fluff talker guy kept getting in the way of the guy who actually had the really interesting stuff, and they didn't get very far. For my taste, I want to hear even more nerdy and less fluff. so far, the only new thing to me was the jawa quote (that's adorable). One of the modulating passage's in rey's theme uses a quote of Jawa music from ANH. I feel like this guy is full of useful information that I haven't found yet, if the other guy would let him lead. I really wish they had gotten to Jedi Steps. Or surprised us with something else. i have some travelling coming up - definitely gonna download some of their past episodes to listen to.
  20. brass triplets and minor thirds In the context of themes we know: If you listen to the imperial march, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH6wXaLQIMQ Listen to those fast notes in the accompaniment, in the first two bars. on paper the rhythm looks like this: http://imgur.com/2HQwYie 1 2 takata 3 takata-takakta, 1 2 takata 3 takata-takakta. Those are the triplets that, when played in other contexts, make us think of the imperial march. In the end of the imperial march, the brass are playing those triplets in full force. Throughout the other movies, he often does this to strongly evoke the imperial march, without playing the imperial march. In the Attack on Jakku, he doesn't need to use the imperial march, but those triplets tell you all that you need to know for now. (about 2 minutes into Main Title/Attack on Jakku, again around 4:20 as mentioned) Minor third: the interval between the root note and the middle note of a minor triad. It's one semi-tone smaller than a major third, which would be the interval in a major triad. On a piano, C to E-flat is a minor third. C to E is a major third. There are minor thirds everywhere because a lot of the music is in a minor key (even Rey's music). To me, the minor third wasn't really an identifying characteristic of any particular theme, but it's in there for sure. There are other elements of the imperial march that are so much more distinctive than that. For example, the Imperial march moves primarily between two chords - they are both minor, but they are separated by a major third... The 3 main melody notes of the imperial march ar actually the outline of a major triad, but his harmonization makes it sound more minor then anything else we've heard before. (if you want notes, the melody goes G G G E-flat B-flat G, outlining E-flat major, but the chords accompanying that are G minor and E-flat minor) the minor third in imperial march is the short note coming back to the main note. the "TA DUM" in DUM DUM DUM, DUM TA DUM, DUM TA DUM I wasn't giving a whole lot of thought to minor-thirds in general - maybe he knows a whole lot more about it than I do. I'm certainly being baited into ultra-deconstruction, as he describes it.
  21. omg put in spoiler tags i haven't seen episode 3 yet BTW RPurton, that exact fragment of imperial march in the lower strings DOES appear again, at the end of Farewell and the Trip, and this time there is no star destroyer in the background. im gettin goosebumps. a clue! a clue! around 4:30 This comes just before jedi steps.
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