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Like a few posted - what is the line between newer and older? I consider each decade an era, and I love music from each and every decade, so it's a tough one. I've always thought his best era was 1977-1983, as the original SW trilogy and all of the scores in between were unbelievable. But, again, I like some of the '60s stuff (though not as much because there's less of it), love some '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s... so which is new and old? By default, I considered splitting his career in half, and went with older stuff. If you look at my favorite Williams scores, they are sprinkled in every era, so, again, hard to choose.

I'll lurk from time to time, and post when I find the time or something post-worthy. Damn, those are good finds! I always look whenever I go, but usually find nothing. I thought I was onto something when there were a bunch of those '50s-'60s band era albums and thought I may be able to find an early Williams sprinkled in there. Then jackpot! And such good condition, too. The Peter Gunn one had a plastic cover on it too, keeping the cover really nice. That old bag of bones! Waitaminute... which mother? The original one that got poisoned or the one that got killed with a shovel in the kitchen?

It's not often when this sort of thing happens, but I happened to find the following albums in a thrift store for $1.99 each!: LP: Andre Previn in Hollywood - Arranged and Conducted by Johnny Williams (Stereo LP; MINT/NM!) LP: The Music from Peter Gunn by Henry Mancini - Johnny T. Williams on Piano (Stereophonic LP; MINT/NM!) I usually find nothing worthwhile in the old LP bins, I'll go a handful of times a year and find no John Williams, so I was pleasantly shocked to find these. They are both in excellent condition, look un-played. Even the jackets are in excellent condition, let alone the vinyl itself. Really cool.

I rated it a 90. IMO, it's a good score, but seems to be missing something to put it over the top. Like most of Williams' newer efforts, they're good, but lack a thematic unity that they used to have for the most part. Still, I like them, they're just different. Oddly, my opinion of the movie is that it was pretty good, until it started feeling more like a bastardized sequel to CEot3K than an Indy sequel. If we're going 0-100, then: Raiders: 97 Temple: 95 Crusade: 95 Crystal: 90

I rated it highly. One of Williams' best scores of the 90s, IMO. Though I like The Lost World's score better.

5. One of JW's very best in any era.

One of my favorite movies and scores of all time. A 5. And I'm not a Horner fan... this is my favorite score of his. Braveheart probably is my brother's favorite movie of all-time, as he watches it every year on his birthday.

Really cool to see these. Thanks, John!

A few nuggets: I always wondered why some people order in the mail for something they can get at a CD store. I was tempted to order through Amazon or one of the online retailers, but a little trip to the mall on release day and having it in hand is better than waiting days or weeks, IMO. Even if I paid $56 for it, at least I'm not still frantically staring at the mailbox and swearing at the mail-lady. I can't believe some are complaining about this set?! I mean, before now all we had were sorely outdated and long-OOP OST CDs, terribly poor-sounding boots, and SFX-laden/Film-version-edited DVD rips. Come on people! This is one of the best releases in JWFandom history and people whine about off-pitch there or an alternate edit there? I hear the music more clearly and crisply with this release than the prior ones. They sound great on my home stereo system. Okay, I'll throw in two complaints: I'd rather would have not paid twice for the same exact KotCS album that I bought in May, and there's a few cues that didn't make it, sure, but IMO, the set sounds absolutely brilliant and has so much previously unreleased music that it is truly a great release. "Alarm!"... I waited HOW many years for that one? Oh man, the Nazi theme usage in that cue that just kicks... no, demolishes @$$! Now I have it in pristine audio quality! Awesome. In hindsight, this makes me think of how spoiled many of us were when the TPM: UE was released. Me included, as I was one of the most vocal in my spoiled disappointment. A good chunk of us were ripping mad at the movie-version edits and massive amounts of unreleased action music, but man, I'd take that over nothing in hindsight of AotC and RotS never seeing expanded releases (outside of game tracks). I feel the same here, so I would never dare attack this release for its small (and I mean SMALL) problems. This Indy set is a billion times better than nothing, and nitpicking about a few small things is silly. Overall the albums are excellent in terms of near-completeness and sound quality. The nitpicks are stunning to me! Thank you Concord Records, Laurent Bouzereau, Lucasfilm, and anybody else who took part in getting this release made. Thanks a million!

Does this argument of opinions ever cease? For 8 years it has been going on! Love them or hate them, I look at them all the same way: Music videos for John Williams music. Then, they're all good (unless they hack up the music too much, haha. But even then I still will like it to a certain degree.).

Actually, he ran in fear from the "flesh eating turtles", and it isn't a "trailerpark." It is a 20-acre property with a Greenhouse and two houses, a karting track, and what was formerly a trailer as the foundation, but with a house built around it. Ah, there I go, correcting Steef again. Anyways, I believe that only I on this board know the true identity of the great King Mark. When I met him, he unmasked his Vader helmet. I won't post his pictures, but I will tell you that he reminded me of the french dude in The Patriot, except younger, shorter hair, and not wearing all that colonial-era french battle garments. He is also, quite the ladies man... my brother and I had to pull him away from all the slim brunette babes that he was hitting on - boyfriend or no boyfriend at a woman's side - no woman was safe from the great King Mark! Glad he never met my wife... I'd have to hide her to save her from his advances! :cool:

This set is so sweet. Man, you younger JW fans have no idea how cool this is to wait so long to get. Man, it isn't quite as exciting as in '93 when the Star Wars Anthology came out, and then again with SW:SE sets came out, but pretty close. The Superman: Blue Box was REALLY nice too, but the main win fall with that was Superman 4, which I always wanted, but absolutely LOVE now. Supes 2 & 3 were good, and Supes 1 was nice for the sound quality and extras, but the Rhino set had it covered before, so it took some of the greatness away from a masterpiece of a set (like the SW Anthology set took away from the initial greatness of the SW: SE sets). I'm either going with these options: 1. If Wal-Mart has it on release day, or can order it, I'll get it same-day easy because there are two within a 10-minute drive from my house. 2. If Wal-Mart does not get them on release day, I'll have to drive 45-55 minutes to a mall and get them at a CD/DVD store like FYE, Best Buy, or equivalent. 3. Order via one of the online retailers. I'll call ahead and see if options 1 and 2 are valid. If I am forced to go with option 3, what are the delay times with shipping on Amazon or SAE or any of the above. I want to get it on release day, which is why I won't order online unless it showed up on 11/11. What's your guys and gals experiences with shipping inside the states? Same day? Next day? More? No matter the price, I want it same day.

Wow. No offense, but I just didn't think that one Williams fan in the world had an opinion like this. Even most of the Lucas/prequel haters like the scores and acknowledge the great unreleased music from them.

The track lists are what I was hoping for. A 'Star Wars Anthology'-type release. This is, as Borat would say, "vary nice." The track titles (well, guessing what they might be), seem close to my 80-minute edits that I made from the original albums and my favorite parts of the bootlegs that I could fit on one disc. Looks close. I'm sure that most of the goodies left of the main discs will probably fill disc 5. Really sweet. As for throwing away bootlegs, I never do. I never throw away anything. I'm a pack rat. Plus, boots, aside from poorer sound quality and/or SFX, always have a record of a different take or edit of some sort, or even the occasional extra cue that missed an official release. I keep them all for reference. Same with the old original albums. I'll never throw them away in favor of expanded releases, and sometimes I have gone back and bought OST albums even AFTER I got expanded versions. I keep them all in my collection. Of course, that's the completist in me, I suppose. I don't think so. Unless someone has a blu-ray drive in their computer. That's not the only way. But I don't think they'd make a Bu-Ray Player with each separate channel's audio output. That's how I do them on DVDs. Do you mean a stand alone player with 5.1 analog output? If so, they most certainly do exist. There's a fair number of them in fact. Wow, I didn't know that they still make them like that anymore. I haven't even seen a standard DVD player with them since maybe 2002, or maybe 2003 or so. Interesting, but how much are they? I'm waiting until Bu-Ray comes down more before I get one. Until then, my 1080i-upconvert DVD player and DirectTV HDTV satellite both hooked up to my 52" HDTV holds me for the time being. The upconvert is somewhere between standard DVD hookup and true HD. Pretty close... at least close enough until Blu-Ray comes down a bit. November 11th... damn.. well, at least the KotCS DVD and playing around with homemade expanded DVD-extracts should hold me until then.

I don't think so. Unless someone has a blu-ray drive in their computer. That's not the only way. But I don't think they'd make a Bu-Ray Player with each separate channel's audio output. That's how I do them on DVDs. Actually, your definition (and other definitions in this thread) represents a common misconception. The confusion probably stems from people assuming that "mass" means "a large gathering or group." (e.g. "The church was packed with a mass of people.") That sense of "mass," however, is derived from the Latin "massa" (which actually goes back even further to a Greek word with the rough meaning of "to knead"). "Mass" in the religious sense, on the other hand, comes from the Latin "missa," which means "dismissal" and is the key word in the final phrase of the Latin liturgy ("Ite, missa est," or, "Go; it is the dismissal"). Historically speaking, the Mass has only ever been associated with the Roman Catholic church and a few of its offshoots (like the Anglican Communion). Most other Christian groups have strenuously avoided using this term to describe their worship due to its indelible association with Rome, which holds within professional academic and journalistic circles (take a look in any mainstream dictionary or encyclopedia). Certainly no non-Christian group that I am aware of has ever adopted the term to describe its worship or rituals, with the exception of Satanists -- who, of course, are deliberately mocking the Latin/Roman Catholic tradition. As for it being "just a word" ... well, yes and no. Words have meanings, and those meanings are frequently important. And while it's true that if enough people form a misconception about a word, or begin to use it in a different way, the commonly held definition can expand or change. In the case of "Mass," however, that hasn't happened yet ... what we have is merely a series of isolated incidents of people using a word they think they know the definition for, but don't. I don't mean that as an insult, BTW ... it's a big language, and we all have our blind spots. In any event, back to Indy... I can confirm that the DVD of KOTCS has VERY nice-sounding rear channels! The orchestra is nice and clear, and seems a close match for the front-channel mix (no high-end or low-end tilting). It's virtually free of dialogue, ambience is generally low, and surround FX are not overwhelming. For those who are into such rips, there's a lot to work with here. (Also, there *may* be some unreleased music on the chapter menus -- albeit only a short clip.) John. Takis. Freakin'. Rules.

"Clubber, what's your prediction for the fight?" I believe that each "OT" Indy CD will probably be an expanded to anywhere between 72-82 minutes each, ala Raiders DCC and the two expanded ET CDs. THEN, there will be some unreleased music from each OT score on the 5th "Interview" disc. My prediction is that the set will not be "complete" as in every single cue and every single minute. But, like the Star Wars Anthology boxed set, it will have expanded/remastered presentations of each original Indy movie score plus additional cues from all 3 on the interview disc. Together, we will have very nice expansions, but not utterly "complete" versions. I can live with an SW "Anthology" type release from Indy. Even if anything is left off, it should have the very best, and combined with the existing boots, video game rips and DVD rips, we'll be able to assemble "almost everything" soundtracks if we wish, even if some of it isn't the highest quality. Or, be fine with what we get. After all... how long can that interview be? Williams has never gabbed for hours about scores so old in my memory. He typically isn't like that, and his interviews always seem vague, generic, and seemingly aloof about exact details about the music 75% of the time. Maybe the interview is a few minutes tops. 5-15 minutes tops, IMO. If that disc is say 75 minutes, there is a lot of room for some of the "best of" the unreleased. If Concord releases them in a set like that for just a few minutes from each score on ONE bonus disc only, that would really be like a kick in the balls to every John Williams and every Indiana Jones fan, especially the older ones like us who have waited for decades. To the newer fans, it'd hurt, but not as much as us fans that have been wanting these expansions since these scores came out back in the 80s.

Ah, memories. - I got Raiders of the Lost Ark OST LP back in 1981 as a birthday present. (I didn't buy TOD or TLC when they 1st came out because I didn't buy any music when I was kid unless it was given as a gift, so I missed them 1st time around.) - I got Raiders of the Lost Ark OST cassette in 1992 for retail (after I got my 1st CD player because the CD was OOP). - I got Temple of Doom OST cassette in 1992 for retail (because the CD was OOP.) - I got Last Crusade OST CD back in 1992 for retail. - I got the DCC Expanded Raiders CD in 1995 for retail. - I got the Japanese import Temple of Doom CD in 1998 mail-ordered from Footlight Records for $45. - I got the German import Raiders OST CD in 1998 mail-ordered from Footlight Records for $15. - I got several different the expanded Last Crusade and Raiders CD and CDR bootlegs in trades back in the old days on JWFan. (And who could forget John Takis' VHS extracts of TOD when that was our only option?) - I got the DVD-extracts of Temple of Doom by doing them myself when the DVDs came out. Can't wait for these releases. No pun intended, but they are a "Holy Grail" for us long-time JWFanners. (If nobody used that pun in this thread, shame on you; if someone used it already and I missed it, shame on me. ) Also, to add a few things to the thread: - Most of my listening comes on a Digital Surround home entertainment system (from a CDR copy of the original, that only gets copied once, then placed on my CD collection shelf). Or at work on a portable mp3 player or an additional portable stereo or surround system. - Stand-alone albums that are just the OSTs (or slightly expanded OSTs) and boxed set with complete expanded/remastered scores would rock. Or "More Music From" would be a good thing in addition, but one way or another they have to re-release the music already in the OST albums because they are so hard to find nowadays. Still, 2-CD sets with all of the music from each (ALA Star Wars Special Editions or Superman: Blue Box and various other examples) would be the absolute best scenario. Other than Raiders, the OSTs were pathetically and woefully short. Raiders was short too, but at least was a great stand-alone album. I often said in the past: Make short, but remastered and slightly expanded album versions for regular CD stores, and special expanded/complete/limited/specially-priced editions for the collector/completest/nutcase fan crowd. Then all are happy.

This is good news. I find that with Williams film music, I prefer bombast and thematic material galore, but as for his concert works, I love the quieter, soothing ones (especially when trying to catch some winks). Still my favorite Williams concert release album is the 1983 LSO/Slatkin, Violin/Flute CD. Dunno why, maybe it's because it's the first one I got.

I called it months ago when I said that it would be lousy to re-release 45/59 minute OST albums - plus the evidence of FSM and Lego snippets - all added up. :cool: I find it odd about the wildly separate release dates between the Raiders CD and the set. Perhaps the single-release versions are 77-79 minute single CD and the boxed set contains 2-CD sets of each? OK, I'm just doing a bit of wishful thinking on that one.

It is worthless. I expected Transformers (2007) to be terrible because of my fondness of the G1 1980s cartoons & movie, but would up pleasantly surprised about most of it, and found the one thing I truly hated was the horrid score, which ruined the whole experience for me. I found the same thing about Batman Begins. Loved everything about it except the poor excuse for music within it.

Tough to say. Probably something from a Star Wars score, as I may have listened to those 6 collectively more than my whole other 300 some odd Williams CDs combined.

1 - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith 2 - Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones 3 - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 4 - The Patriot 5 - A.I. Artificial Intelligence 6 - Memoirs of a Geisha 7 - Minority Report 8 - Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 9 - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 10 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 11 - The Terminal 12 - Munich 13 - War of the Worlds 14 - Catch Me If You Can

They'd hate me then because I only like a couple of Goldsmith themes here and there and I'm a Williams fanatic. As for bootlegs, I don't think bootlegs ever hurt sales of legitimate CDs. If the CDs get released in the first place, then nobody would want to hear a second-rate-sounding boot. Plus, IMO, it has sold more DVDs when I made my homemade expanded soundtracks from them. Meaning I bought a CD and a DVD. So a sale is a sale and profit for those companies. But bootlegging material that is available to buy is just plain stealing. Still, you must see why they (FSM) publically frowns upon the practice: they are a company that produces OOP or never-in-print soundtracks, and must follow all legal guidelines. Here, we're just a bunch of fans. Hence, I wouldn't demand bootlegging material there either.

What do they give you are hard time for, KM? Because you want an expanded TOD? Hardly a reason to bash someone for, especially a community of Film Score enthusiasts.

Which I'm sure Vosk re-edited to take out all unused music. Bigot? Sir, do you know this word? Also, it was a trade between friends as well. And I was entirely thankful for. But this is how you treat me? Maybe you should look in the mirror the next time you call someone that. Thanks, bud. As for last score I listened to: Mostly Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, though I, II, and III some too.