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Almost anyone you ask will have these three somewhere in their top 5. While most other composers drop in and out of different lists, these three are virtually always present. They are for all intents and purposes the trio of modern film music, and down the road it is not doubtful to see them be representation of the last 25-30 years of film music.

So now the question, which combines objectivity with subjectivity, would you agree that Williams, Goldsmith, and Horner, are the top three most influential, timeless, and innovative composers from 1980 to 2000 ±5 years? Why? Why not? Any other three?

If you cut them down into shallow people, these three meet the three staple archetypes of any industry...

1. The one who sticks to the traditional ideas, and betters them for the modern day

2. The one who experiments and innovates

3. The one who takes elements of both and popularizes them

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I think Elfman does not have as much great and innovative work as people make out. His best is as good as people say. But there isn't a great wealth of it. I've liked elements of most of his scores that I've heard, but I haven't heard a score that was uniformly impressive in a while.

I guess I would agree on the trio...although Horner is several notches below the other two. He is the most consistantly frustrating of all film composers, something that has been consistantly true of him over his entire career (I personally don't think the quality of his work dropped after the 80's, he's been consistantly good, and consistantly bad).

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I agree with you that he hasn't had a great score in a long time. But Elfman has been far more influential and original, if not lately. Composers have copied his sound. Who copies the Horner sound? Is there a Horner sound? Who, besides Horner himself, is influenced by the mans work? That's why I don't think he belongs anywhere near JW & JG. Elfman, at least in terms of popularity and the originality factor, is a better choice.

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I would say that Elfman is in fact very influential. People outside of the film music medium know him by name.

Funny enought, one of his themes can pass untoticed, but if you play The Imperial March, people will imediatelly recognized it as Star Wars music, even if they don't know the composers name.

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Yes unfortunately you have to put Zimmer #1 right now as far as influence goes.

I agree with Williams and Goldsmith being a good ways above the rest. And that's not really a knock against the others, there's a lot of quality composers out there, but a testament to how good those two are/were. Both once in multiple generations talents.

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I barely listen to Goldsmith these days - I think he's overrated.

Come again? :)

Ok, the overrated comment was a spur of the moment thing, but his music just hasn't been 'doing' it for me recently. I think I'm just preferring other composers.

I'd agree that Zimmer is one of the most influential, and in terms of innovation, you'd be good to beat Tom Newman.

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JW is number 1 all the time for me.

The other two would MAYBE be in my top 10, but certainly not top 5 (noting that I only have 3 JH and 4 JG).

My favorite composers are like this:

1. John Williams

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2. Danny Elfman

3. Hans Zimmer

4. James Newton Howard

Those are really the top composers in my life (for now, at least). As for most influential, Elfman has really influenced his sound for a lot of composers (I even heard a bit of Elfman in GoF). Zimmer also, when you consider MV scores and how many composers are using his electronics and stuff (Gregson-Williams, Badelt, Powell.....)

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For me it's a Top 2 now.

You're right, Horner dropped out ten years ago.

Quite true. However, it should be acknowledged and admitted that in spite of all his self-plagiarism and all that countless times discussed stuff, he did do some great work in his time (with Aliens being my personal all-time favourite).

Were it up to me, I'd set the "Holy Trinity" as Williams, Goldsmith, Morricone. (But such "selections" are always subject to change, so it could be e. g. Williams, Elfman, Shore, Barry a month from now. :) But Williams will of course always be the No. 1 for me. :devil:)

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For me it's a Top 2 now.

You're right, Horner dropped out ten years ago.

Quite true. However, it should be acknowledged and admitted that in spite of all his self-plagiarism and all that countless times discussed stuff, he did do some great work in his time (with Aliens being my personal all-time favourite).

Were it up to me, I'd set the "Holy Trinity" as Williams, Goldsmith, Morricone. (But such "selections" are always subject to change, so it could be e. g. Williams, Elfman, Shore, Barry a month from now. :) But Williams will of course always be the No. 1 for me. :devil:)

how did it take this long for Morricone to be mentioned?

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