crumbs 14,318 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thoughts? Suggestions? I refuse to include anything with sound effects that are distracting or noticeable. I wanted to keep the symmetry between the start and end of the soundtrack, with the Russian march motif which inverses between its first appearance in the first cue, and the last cue barring the Finale/End Credits. All in all, it has to stay at CD length so it can be burned to a regular compact disc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I strictly used the Pre-viz/DVD menu material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 What's on the DVD menus? PS, I haven't actually finished compiling this just yet. It's my project for the next week or two, so just hold in there folks! Hopefully it can coincide with the release of the Collection, so we don't feel so bad that the OST for KOTCS isn't expanded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Looks good to me. Thanks for your work, I look forward to hearing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'm pretty happy with my edits ,especially my Warehouse Escape ending and incorporation of the unreleased Previz music into the OST Jungle Chase .Can't tell the difference with "official" OST microedits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Nice work, cheers for the PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithTyrann 0 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 ur edit sounds cool to me @ crumbs... but why is everyone forgetting the awesome cue where indy is at the Trainstation ... that variation of the Raiders much is soooo cool Would be very pleased if anyone can make it and send it to me ... cause i dont have a DVD-Drive at my PC at the moment PS: is it possible to get ur edit ? @ crumbs & king mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I like the looks of that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalton007 0 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Excellent I'm dying to hear the warehouse material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Having the Raiders March was nice and needed to get people to buy the CD I suppose, but I like your idea of editing it down while keeping it apart. Your selections seem very logical and makes up most of the missing music I wanted to hear when I bought the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 there's no point in removing anythingPeople still use these portable c.d. players in 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 there's no point in removing anythingPeople still use these portable c.d. players in 2008?You'd be surprised...and Neil obviously does.I haven't had a portable CD player since I bought my first mp3 player (which was the Zen) back in 2005 or 2006...something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Neil has an ipod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 People still use these portable c.d. players in 2008?Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I think you should be more sensitive to those who are not as technologically advanced as you are, king mark. I still use portable cassette players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 cassettes ,oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The horror! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I don't care much for everything else, but the complete Jungle Chase is quite tempting ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 It's also quite good.The score has been growing on me ever since I got my rip done. It's very psychological, and it's also very thematically dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Upon rewatching the film, I became very fond of (according to the track title listed above) "Invading the Warehouse". I find myself humming that piece at odd moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I really like "Inflitrating the Base" after hearing it in the film.When watching the film in theatres for the first time, I forgot for a moment that the score was going to be awesome until that cue started, and I was like "yes! JW!" I'd say that and complete Jungle Chase are tied for best unreleased Indy 4 cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I definitely like this score better in light of the DVD rips, but there are some cues that are, to me, unquestionably bad. The opening cue with the Soviets driving up to the warehouse and the cue for Indy stumbling around after the rocket sled stops come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 , but there are some cues that are, to me, unquestionably bad. The opening cue with the Soviets driving up to the warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes, that's right. I think it's just cartoony sounding. Given such shocking circumstances as the ruthless and unexplained murder of American soldiers, I was expecting something better than "da-da-da-da BAD GUYS!" music. It's not as bad as the music after the rocket sled halts, though. That's an absolute farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'm also more and more convinced this is one of Murphy's best recordings. It's clear, dynamic, and in your face, much better than the mud soup you usually get with him.There are quite a few of the quieter unreleased cues I'd really like to hear in better quality, like the warehouse sequence from where the OST cue ends to the start of the escape action, the bridge between Secret Doors and Scorpions and Orellana's Cradle, and the Treasure Room cue. It sounds like there's lots of interesting little things going on, including more electronics than Williams usually uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes, that's right. I think it's just cartoony sounding. Given such shocking circumstances as the ruthless and unexplained murder of American soldiers, I was expecting something better than "da-da-da-da BAD GUYS!" music. It's not as bad as the music after the rocket sled halts, though. That's an absolute farce.Hey it is an Indiana Jones score. What the hell were you expecting? Murderous swirling strings, mournful adagio for shocking death of American soldiers, somber and sad. Of course the music is militaristic and cartoony bad guy music. It is Indiana Jones style after all.@ crumbs: The 80 minutes you have compiled looks like a very good listening experience and also a very good presentation of the score as a whole. For me the most difficult thing was to decide where to put the concert arrangements of the Skull theme and Mutt's theme so that they do not disrupt the flow of the actual score. In the end I chose to include the Call of the Crystal before A Whirl Through the Academe just like you have done but Mutt's theme is trickier. It just feels a bit premature to include it just after the Warehouse sequence but finding a proper place for it in other parts of the score is equally difficult. Placing it after or before the Jungle Chase is just over kill when the Chase has a long segment of that theme already. So finally I decided to put the theme after the Finale and End Credits along with Raiders March and whatnot. Put I did not limit myself to 80 minutes like you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes, that's right. I think it's just cartoony sounding. Given such shocking circumstances as the ruthless and unexplained murder of American soldiers, I was expecting something better than "da-da-da-da BAD GUYS!" music. It's not as bad as the music after the rocket sled halts, though. That's an absolute farce.I'm the opposite. That was one of my favorite moments of the score. The Russian theme is also the only theme really in Williams' "classic" mode I believe (a short theme or rather motif that is seemingly simple, developed over a short cue, building the tension, and without any Hook-ish or Gilderoy Lockhart-ish frills. It has the same effect on me as the conspiracy music of CE3K). How would you say this is cartoony? I think it's perhaps stereotypical bad guys music (and as such, ties in beautifully with Raiders and Last Crusade), but I don't think it's cartoony. (The characters in the film are though.) For me, it's Mutt's music that is really cartoony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Looking really good, especially if you wanna stay under 80 minutes. What could always free up some time would be removing the Raiders March as track 1, as it's not really part of the score in this form (although I agree that an Indy-score HAS to have it).Regarding the DVD-menus, one of them includes "Spalko's Dossier" (which is played in the FBI-interrogation-scene), which fades nicely into the establishment shot of Marshall College. That last part is absolutely clean on the DVD right until the last note has faded out, but I'm not sure if there's anything missing inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The Russian theme was one of the very few things I really liked about this score! And it was abysmally underrepresented on album. The only part of the whole album that truly thrills me like a good JW score should is the segue from Irina's theme to the Russian theme in the end credits track. That's it.Give me more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Careful. You may get exactly what you wished for.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes, that's right. I think it's just cartoony sounding. Given such shocking circumstances as the ruthless and unexplained murder of American soldiers, I was expecting something better than "da-da-da-da BAD GUYS!" music. It's not as bad as the music after the rocket sled halts, though. That's an absolute farce.Hey it is an Indiana Jones score. What the hell were you expecting? Murderous swirling strings, mournful adagio for shocking death of American soldiers, somber and sad. Of course the music is militaristic and cartoony bad guy music. It is Indiana Jones style after all.The Nazi music in Raiders wasn't a joke. It's hard to articulate how I feel about the music; it just seems like Williams was being lazy and writing the most stereotypical military suspense music he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The nazi music in raiders is nonexistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I guess that to you evil can only be conveyed by a big, blaring fanfare.Oh, did I say "you"? I meant 95% of this entire forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Wait, we are tearing each others' throats out about the music that is played when the American soldiers are shot, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I guess that to you evil can only be conveyed by a big, blaring fanfare....which is why people like the very beggining of "Irina's Theme," which is anything but a big, blaring fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's Theme does not exactly convey evil to me; more like seduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I like the Raiders Nazi music more than Last Crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's Theme does not exactly convey evil to me; more like seduction.Spalko didn't strike me as a very seducing villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 When she touches Indy's knees while sitting down, it's like she's reaching for something. She wants to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's Theme does not exactly convey evil to me; more like seduction.Spalko didn't strike me as a very seducing villain.Yes, but I thought this was about the music? He said Irina's Theme conveyed evil, and I said it's more like seduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's Theme does not exactly convey evil to me; more like seduction.Spalko didn't strike me as a very seducing villain.Yes, but I thought this was about the music? He said Irina's Theme conveyed evil, and I said it's more like seduction.I know. It's just a little odd that the music is seductive when the character is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Do svidanya, Dr. Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's theme is easily the weakest of the new themes (yes, Mutt's theme too). I only really like it in Jungle Chase. On the other hand, I can't get enough of the Russian theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Irina's Theme does not exactly convey evil to me; more like seduction.Spalko didn't strike me as a very seducing villain.Yes, but I thought this was about the music? He said Irina's Theme conveyed evil, and I said it's more like seduction.I know. It's just a little odd that the music is seductive when the character is not.That's the joy of being a film composer; being asked to score what's not there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 My edit's 78 minutes right now, with the deletion of Mutt's Theme and the Raiders March. I've put Call of the Crystal at the opening as an overture, and Irina's theme tagged onto Spalko's Dossier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Irina's theme is easily the weakest of the new themes (yes, Mutt's theme too). I only really like it in Jungle Chase. On the other hand, I can't get enough of the Russian theme.For me, the new themes rank:1. Irina's Theme2. Mutt's Theme3. Russian Theme4. Call of the CrystalBut they're all fantastic. I think the Russian Theme would be higher on my list if it had a concert version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 "The Call of the Crystal" is probably my favorite new theme, if not "Irina's Theme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Call of the Crystal is great too. It's almost Goldsmithian the way it gets in your and the character's heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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