Delorean90 42 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 C'mon, Mark, you don't find any good melodies in The Lion King or The Prince of Egypt? There's some pretty nice stuff in those scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Pretty militaristic.Ooh, there we go. That is way more apt than what I tried to say. Still, just using "pretty" in the phrase does not prove your point, I do not think.You understand what I am trying to say, yes? Do you consider "Imperial March" to be "pretty"?No, it's not "pretty" in the "Marian's Theme" way of being pretty.But, do you notice something here - and I think this was something Socrates was getting at - most of us don't use words correctly. That's something we're all guilty of. And the meaning the words have and the meaning we think they have can be two different things. Which is something the Internet has exposed to its height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,096 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 But, do you notice something here - and I think this was something Socrates was getting at - most of us don't use words correctly.Are the correct meanings correct because we don't use them, or do we not use them because they're correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 But, do you notice something here - and I think this was something Socrates was getting at - most of us don't use words correctly.Are the correct meanings correct because we don't use them, or do we not use them because they're correct?No, we use the words in ways they were not meant to be used, thereby causing confusion. I think a better question would be is Nick a whore because he sleeps around or does his sleep around because he's a whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Zimmer's best power anth---err melody came about 4 to 5 mins into "The Battle" in Gladiator. I don't think even Mark can call that utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,096 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Zimmer's best power anth---err melody came about 4 to 5 mins into "The Battle" in Gladiator. I don't think even Mark can call that utter garbage. Are you talking about the part more like 6 minutes in? Before that, it's mostly just Mars ripoffs. If so, I disagree. It's far from my favorite. I think he improved upon it with Pirates.No, we use the words in ways they were not meant to be used, thereby causing confusion.Ah, but that begs the question of whether words mean what we intend for them to mean, or what they were originally intended to mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I think a better question would be is Nick a whore because he sleeps around or does his sleep around because he's a whore. A whaa? (Where is that "Jaws" picture when I need it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,096 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 It's okay, Nick, he talks to all his students this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Of that I have no doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I can't believe I stepped out for three days to see this foxtrotting debate is still going strong.I also can't believe we're using the tenets of a long-dead Greek philosopher to argue the scientific validity of pre-weighing the opinions of individuals based on the merits that they're not qualified to either have opinions or believe them.Because we may as well use the tenets of Plato and Aristotle to declare why our concepts of classical and quantum physics are all wrong. And if that's the case, I'll be having your computer now, if you please, because Plato and Aristotle didn't think long and hard enough to make such a complex machine possible.This debate got silly long ago. I'm going now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 This thread got silly when Quint started it, suggesting Zimmer was capable of writing a good melody............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 thread...silly...Quint...Zimmer............... It all makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Just kidding Quint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Enough with the disclaimers! It spoils the piss-take, which I assure you I am quite comfortable with Being silly is my reason to live. Well, that and my charity work in Darfur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 It's okay, Nick, he talks to all his students this way.Only the ones that want a A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 That's the spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Did I miss it or did none really mentioned The Thin Red Line? There are some very good melodies - e.g. in tracks like Lagoon or Stone in My Heart.I very much like Zimmer's melodies in Rain Man, Beyond Rangoon, The Holiday, Hannibal, PotC: AWE and some other scores. He is certainly capable of writing good and ear-catching stuff from time to time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Listened to The Prince Of Egypt today on the way to work.Surely "Chariot Race" is a good melody? I think it's marvellous! Really fun and upbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Did I miss it or did none really mentioned The Thin Red Line?Zimmer's best score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,773 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think Mark's drunk on Williams themes. He'll sober up eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Listened to The Prince Of Egypt today on the way to work.Surely "Chariot Race" is a good melody? I think it's marvellous! Really fun and upbeat. There are several good melodies. The God theme is quite good, and excellently handled throughout the score ("The Burning Bush" is a definite highlight, and I love how he ends the score with that last variation in the unused finale cue). Moses's theme is pretty good as well.I do quite enjoy the "Chariot Race" theme, also. My only real issue with the score is, again, the unfortunate use of synthesized instruments. Sometimes it works, but there are times, like in "Goodbye Brother" where it just grates because you know it would sound so much better with the real instruments. I hate when he does that with the brass--it almost starts to sound like a section of muscular kazoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,096 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'm perfectly willing to enjoy a Zimmer score if I find it enjoyable, but Thin Red Line bored the crap out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's called minimalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,096 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have nothing against subtle music. Unfortunately, that's not Zimmer's strong suit, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's called minimalism.No, is called minimalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's called minimalism.No, is called minimalism.Lord would that be a pain to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I love how he ends the score with that last variation in the unused finale cue.I like the unused finale cue, but I like the one from the film (i.e the instrumental variation of "Deliver Us") much better.Granted the unused piece is far more powerful (in my opinion), but the other cue just seems to fit the film better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's called minimalism.No, is called minimalism.That's called annoying. Zimmer's minimalism is some of his best work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 There's an emoticon for that, y'know?Okay, maybe minimalism is not technically the correct term for the scores I'm talking about. But I'm glad. Crap like that doesn't produce a hypnotic effect like it's supposed to, it just gives you a headache. That's also why everything Philip Glass does sounds exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Okay, maybe minimalism is not technically the correct term for the scores I'm talking about. But I'm glad. Crap like that doesn't produce a hypnotic effect like it's supposed to, it just gives you a headache. That's also why everything Philip Glass does sounds exactly the same.When you say "you," are you speaking for yourself or presuming to know how everybody reacts to minimalist music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Okay, maybe minimalism is not technically the correct term for the scores I'm talking about. But I'm glad. Crap like that doesn't produce a hypnotic effect like it's supposed to, it just gives you a headache. That's also why everything Philip Glass does sounds exactly the same.When you say "you," are you speaking for yourself or presuming to know how everybody reacts to minimalist music?I'm speaking for myself. But I don't know how one can say Glass's scores don't sound the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Probably, yes. I do not think it is "pretty", nor "beautiful". I think "dirty" would perhaps be more apt of a term to use, if one can get my meaning. "Cruasde of the Slave Children" would be a good example to support my poorly-worded reasoning, I think. And my question still stands.'Dirty'? Hell no. 'Gritty'? Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I prefer Williamsfan301 adjective, "pretty militaristic". I could not find the best words to describe what I felt, which is why I ended up with the terrible "dirty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think Mark's drunk on Williams themes. He'll sober up eventually I've been sober for about 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Did I miss it or did none really mentioned The Thin Red Line?Zimmer's best score.It's his freakin' masterpiece. There are few scores that move me like TRL; it took me some time to take to it, though. Sure it isn't as elaborate as JW's scores, but it doesn't have to be. It's ascethic, but by no means shallow, simple or generic. Once one stopz analysing every possible musical element of it and lets emotions work, his initialy discovers the power of that music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 There's an emoticon for that, y'know?Okay, maybe minimalism is not technically the correct term for the scores I'm talking about. But I'm glad. Crap like that doesn't produce a hypnotic effect like it's supposed to, it just gives you a headache. That's also why everything Philip Glass does sounds exactly the same.I bought a Philip Glass record once. I listened to it for 2 hours before I realized the needle was stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I remember I once bought Michael Nyman's collection. I approached it as if it was Williams' cd - I focused on every note. By the end of the first half of the cd I got a headache. Then I learnt I should just let the music play and not focus too much on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think that Nyman's got a bit more variety than Glass does. Though I am kind of fond of Glass. And minimalism in film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah, I much prefer Nyman to Glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I know very little of Glass, more of Nyman, but solely on the basis of it, I prefer Nyman too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I bought a Philip Glass record once. I listened to it for 2 hours before I realized the needle was stuck.<_< I've heard that one before, but it's still hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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