Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hi, everybody! (again)Recently, listening to the KOTCS soundtrack, I wondered why a concert piece for "The Russians Theme" isn't featured in the soundtrack or anywhere else.So I was wondering if it could be possible to create the concert version of that theme. Here are the russians themes we should take into account:- The unrelesed motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format)- The horns part in "Irina's Theme"- The jazzy version of the theme in "Jungle Chase" (the complete one)- The dark march in "Jungle Chase"- "Ants!" features a lot of variations of the theme- The "Finale" partIf I'm forgetting of another let me know.My idea is to create a MIDI of it or something in that style. But my problem is that I'm not really good at the keyboard (I've created a couple of pieces, but I have problems with the rythm), so I was wondering if a good musician could help to create the concert version of "The Russians Theme".Thanks in advance.PS: If you couldn't understand me, I'll try to explain myself better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 There's a movement called "Russians" in the KotCS orchestral suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hi, everybody! (again)Recently, listening to the KOTCS soundtrack, I wondered why a concert piece for "The Russians Theme" isn't featured in the soundtrack or anywhere else.So I was wondering if it could be possible to create the concert version of that theme. Here are the russians themes we should take into account:- The unrelesed motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format)- The horns part in "Irina's Theme"- The jazzy version of the theme in "Jungle Chase" (the complete one)- The dark march in "Jungle Chase"- The "Finale" partIf I'm forgetting of another let me know.My idea is to create a MIDI of it or something in that style. But my problem is that I'm not really good at the keyboard (I've created a couple of pieces, but I have problems with the rythm), so I was wondering if a good musician could help to create the concert version of "The Russians Theme".Thanks in advance.PS: If you couldn't understand me, I'll try to explain myself better.ants! features a lot of the russian theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The Jazzy version in The Jungle Chase is my favorite part of the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I wish there were more representations of this theme on album. Of all the new themes written for the film, the Russians theme was by far my favorite.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 - The unrelesed motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format)What main site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 - The unrelesed motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format)What main site?I meant here: http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_...view&id=897(Scroll down to where it says "unreleased music" and click on "Russian motif")There's a movement called "Russians" in the KotCS orchestral suite.Really? Interesting... Where can I see or listen to that?ants! features a lot of the russian theme.True. I should add it to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't really consider that a motif, the one used in the opening of the film. It's used once and doesn't sound like the real Russian theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Indeed I remember going "hell yes" to myself when I heard this theme for the first time in the theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 DA DA-DA-DA BAD GUYS! MARCH MARCH MARCH!What an incredible piece of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 154 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Give me that any time over DA-DA-DA. Daradadadadadarada Daradaradaradaradaradarara Daradaradaradaradaradarada! 50s REBEL! Somehow strangely SWASHBUCKLING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Is that raw midi file available anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I wish there were more representations of this theme on album. Of all the new themes written for the film, the Russians theme was by far my favorite. (this emoticon brought to you by JDan)DA DA-DA-DA BAD GUYS! MARCH MARCH MARCH!What an incredible piece of music.Oh come on, you know you love it. It's exactly what Indy bad guy music should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 DA DA-DA-DA BAD GUYS! MARCH MARCH MARCH!What an incredible piece of music.Missed your daily dose of fiber again, Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Low blow, dude. I actually like the theme just fine in a minor, auxiliary function. It's fun music for the usual brainless hero fodder (i.e. the soldiers). High, thrilling art on the level of "The Map Room," or even "Call of the Crystal"? Hardly.In the same vein I like the Nazi theme in The Last Crusade because it stays the hell away from powerful, dramatic moments. It knows its place as a silly little bad guy theme. I love the development of the theme in "Alarm!" An exciting, light hearted escape sequence. Would I have liked a sweeping, choral rendition of the theme when Donovan shoots Henry Sr.? Of course not. It just isn't that serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 <_< All in good fun, no offense intended. Were you actually not being sarcastic? I thought it was used rather appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I was being... animated. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 <_<Very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The more I hear this theme, the more I love it. It's a shame that the best variation is in the unreleased portion of the Jungle Chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelzter 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 That russian statement from the opening of the film is almost identical to one of the main themes from Blazing Angels II, for the next-gen game consoles. Released in the fall of 2007,the game theme seems to have been written just before Williams wrote his variant for Crystal Skull. So, compelling as the cue may be, it's not very original.--Pelzter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I'm very sure Williams has not heard that video game score. Besides, the opening cue is not the "Russian motif." We're talking about the brass fanfare in "Irina's Theme." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 That russian statement from the opening of the film is almost identical to one of the main themes from Blazing Angels II, for the next-gen game consoles. Released in the fall of 2007,the game theme seems to have been written just before Williams wrote his variant for Crystal Skull. So, compelling as the cue may be, it's not very original.--Pelzter.Sorry, but your theory doesn't pass the ripoff test.. Too few similar unique attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I wish there were more representations of this theme on album. Of all the new themes written for the film, the Russians theme was by far my favorite. (this emoticon brought to you by JDan)Ha!Or should that be:Uncool, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I love the Russian theme. If they ever decide to make an Indy 5, I hope Indiana Jones will go to Russia so that we can hear more of the Russians theme.It'd actually be an interesting setting. There's beautiful buildings, there can be snow, and bad guys aplenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 I was wondering... If nowbody wants to create a MIDI of the Russians Theme, how about a music edit of all the russians parts mentioned in the first post?Anyone here is a good music editor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I love the Russian theme. If they ever decide to make an Indy 5, I hope Indiana Jones will go to Russia so that we can hear more of the Russians theme.It'd actually be an interesting setting. There's beautiful buildings, there can be snow, and bad guys aplenty. Yeah, one of the big things I think they have left to do is spend real time in a snowy setting, not just a little blip like going to Nepal or the slalom on Mt. Humol, but have a real action set piece outside, and spend some time there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Yeah, one of the big things I think they have left to do is spend real time in a snowy setting, not just a little blip like going to Nepal or the slalom on Mt. Humol, but have a real action set piece outside, and spend some time there.Absolutely! That'd be something we haven't yet properly seen in an Indiana Jones movie.What I think they should do if they make an Indy 5 is to try and figure out some locations we haven't really seen yet andaction scenes we haven't seen yet and then try and figure out a story around that.I'd love Indy sneaking into Moskow in the snow and then having to escape through the Russian countryside or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,753 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I was wondering... If nowbody wants to create a MIDI of the Russians Theme, how about a music edit of all the russians parts mentioned in the first post?Anyone here is a good music editor?I love editing, so I could give it a try.Just looking at the appearances though:-- The unreleased motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format) - if this is the one that appears in the first score cue of the film, I tried doing a DVD rip ages ago, and the sfx even in the rear channels was too much. I could try incorporating the midi though, and see if it works with the rest of the suite.- The dark march in "Jungle Chase" - are you talking about the march with snares just before the cue goes back to the OST for the last time? I don't hear any Russian theme influences in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 I love editing, so I could give it a try.That's great! Thanks a lot for offering! Just looking at the appearances though:-- The unreleased motif (which is on the main site in MIDI format) - if this is the one that appears in the first score cue of the film, I tried doing a DVD rip ages ago, and the sfx even in the rear channels was too much. I could try incorporating the midi though, and see if it works with the rest of the suite.Well... If it fits, you should leave it. But if doesn't, we can remove it. After all, that cue lasts less than thirty seconds, so it's not really that important.- The dark march in "Jungle Chase" - are you talking about the march with snares just before the cue goes back to the OST for the last time? I don't hear any Russian theme influences in that.It's true, but represents the evilness of the russians in the film. I think we could give it a try. If we don't like the result, we remove it.One thing I was wondering... Which sould be the order of the edit? I mean, which would go first, second, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Is what you're trying to do make an unofficial Concert Piece or Suite or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Is what you're trying to do make an unofficial Concert Piece or Suite or something?Yes. Everything depends on the final result, which I'm confident will be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,753 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I just took a quick listen to the various bits. Problem is that they're mostly very short ~30 second pieces, and when you add the deteriorated sound quality from DVD rips, I'm sure not it would make a particularly coherent listen.But I've cobbled together a 1:30 suite comprising of the rendition in the complete Jungle Chase, the Finale (which is the same as in Irina's Theme) and some stuff from Ants!, with some related filler kept in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 I just took a quick listen to the various bits. Problem is that they're mostly very short ~30 second pieces, and when you add the deteriorated sound quality from DVD rips, I'm sure not it would make a particularly coherent listen.But I've cobbled together a 1:30 suite comprising of the rendition in the complete Jungle Chase, the Finale (which is the same as in Irina's Theme) and some stuff from Ants!, with some related filler kept in.That's great! Could you post a link to listen to it? I don't know if you prefer to post it here or privately... It makes the same for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 That's great! Could you post a link to listen to it? I don't know if you prefer to post it here or privately... It makes the same for me.Yes, I'd like to hear it as well. If private, then PM me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I'd be interested too. It's my favourite theme from KotCS, not counting the Raiders March and Ark themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Richuk did a great edit of the russians theme! If anyone is interested in hearing it, ask to him or me for it. We'll be more than glad to share it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 That's pretty darn cool! Good job to Richuk! And thanks to Michael for suggesting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,143 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I don't know if I'd say I like it, but it is well assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Are these passages:Wharehouse escape (DVD featurette rip) 1:16-1:21 and Whirl through academe 1:02-1:16some kind of Russian motif or just trademark action scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,048 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I doesn't really sound like a motif, just a typical thing for modern JW action scoring. But then again it is the same in both cues. Is it in The Jungle Chase as well?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I doesn't really sound like a motif, just a typical thing for modern JW action scoring. But then again it is the same in both cues. Is it in The Jungle Chase as well?Karoli dont think so, the jungle chase is more irina driven. I'll check it just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 The "Whirl Through Academe" clip is the motif for that cue, initiated at 0:06. The "Warehouse Escape" clip is perhaps motivic for that cue--it's certainly a central idea/element of the cue, but it's not the same as Whirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 who knows maybe its a old indy action motif..and we dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Indy already has a theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Every time I see this thread I start humming the theme to myself. A good sign, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You and your fanfare fetishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,805 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Indy already has a theme.hea also had a new one in the LC prologue and another one in the father-son relationship.i was just half joking anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Every time I see this thread I start humming the theme to myself. A good sign, methinks.So true!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You and your fanfare fetishes!I prefer to think of it as a healthy desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Then count me in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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