Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 HBP: 1 star ( I would assume, I haven't seen it yet)Then how can you even presume to have any sort of opinion on how well-scored it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I've written a little "Dark Lord Ascending (Voldemort's Theme)" if anyone is interested in hearing?Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I guess I'm just disappointed that the film wasn't treated as its own entity; beyond a sequel. That's why I love the PoA score so much, it oozes its own personality while still retaining the magical qualities that made the first score. It makes sense to track the Quidditch music from the first movie into the second, but I'd still rather something more original (and I haven't even mentioned the abysmal addition of AotC music in that). I mean, just because it fits doesn't mean it should be the final product. It feels like I'm watching the rough cut of the film, with temp tracks scattered throughout.All the weaknesses you mentioned come back to William Ross.JW scored only selected scenes himself (which are great), and he wrote the concert pieces. The rest was up to William Ross. He could have adapted the music, but he didn't. He didn't do any adapting. He just copied the music from PS and put it where he thinks it fit!So yeah, it IS a mess. But OVERALL (if you're a typical moviegoer and don't pay attention to EVERY cue) it's well-scored, I think. By that I mean the music is quite effective.No it is not William Ross's fault. He did exactly what John Williams and the producers asked him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Been away most of the week and found this, I don't have the time to read all 11 pages but this is certainly an interesting development although I still won't get too excited. I will say this, if he has plenty of time to do both DH and Tin Tin that's great, but if he has to do both almost at the same time I'd rather he only did Tin Tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If JW has already started work on Tintin then probably adjusting Deathly Hallows in his schedule shouldn't be much problem because Lincoln and Interstellar are still far off, and David Yates recently mentioned they completed filming 85% of the first part. At least I hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The main obstacle I see in this situation is simply that of stamina. It's all well and good if the schedules work out, but JW is not as young as he once was. The last time he took on multiple projects in a year was quite detrimental to his health. I've read people saying "he can handle two scores in a year", but what is that based on? Would we really want him to score these movies if it meant his health went downhill? (I already know the answer a lot of you will have, but I still thought I'd point it out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaismine 64 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The last time he took on multiple projects in a year was quite detrimental to his health.Really? Do you have a source for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If JW has already started work on Tintin then probably adjusting Deathly Hallows in his schedule shouldn't be much problem because Lincoln and Interstellar are still far off, and David Yates recently mentioned they completed filming 85% of the first part. At least I hope so! I hear Heyman will be sacking Yates and hiring Richard Lester to complete the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The main obstacle I see in this situation is simply that of stamina. It's all well and good if the schedules work out, but JW is not as young as he once was. The last time he took on multiple projects in a year was quite detrimental to his health. I've read people saying "he can handle two scores in a year", but what is that based on? Would we really want him to score these movies if it meant his health went downhill? (I already know the answer a lot of you will have, but I still thought I'd point it out).Well, four scores a year, two scores a year, where do you draw the line? Who knows. In 2008, Williams had the energy not only to score Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but to write half a dozen concert pieces based on it, write music for Obama, write his Duo Concertante and conduct the usual string of Film Night and Tanglewood concerts, among other things. He's slowing down but he's far from stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Also, I think he put more effort into Geisha than he does for most other films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 ...In 2008, Williams had the energy to...write his Duo Concertante...I thought he wrote that in either 2006 or 2007.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Also, I think he put more effort into Geisha than he does for most other films.Good point. Writing that score would put most mere mortals into a coma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Um... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Um...Af... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If John Williams won't score it, they could perhaps bring John Barry out of retirement to give his midas touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 My appreciation of CoS is based on the album and not what ended up in the film ,which is mixed too low to hear most of it anywaysIs it mixed lower than in PS or PoA?Hmmm, never noticed it, but it could be true.The last time he took on multiple projects in a year was quite detrimental to his health.Really? Do you have a source for that?No, of course not. Because it's bs.Well, four scores a year, two scores a year, where do you draw the line? Who knows. In 2008, Williams had the energy not only to score Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but to write half a dozen concert pieces based on it, write music for Obama, write his Duo Concertante and conduct the usual string of Film Night and Tanglewood concerts, among other things. He's slowing down but he's far from stopped.Aren't you one of the people who all but PROMISED JW won't return to HP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I saw the film last night and really, really enjoyed it. I'd say it's one of the best in the series. Musically, I thought the score was weak. There were a couple of shots over the castle which were just crying out for the Hogwarts theme! And did I notice a slightly altered version of Umbridge's theme when Harry & friends are mixing the potions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I saw the film last night and really, really enjoyed it. I'd say it's one of the best in the series. Musically, I thought the score was weak. There were a couple of shots over the castle which were just crying out for the Hogwarts theme! And did I notice a slightly altered version of Umbridge's theme when Harry & friends are mixing the potions? So how many times would you say was Hedwig's Theme heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Three times:1. The teeniest, tiniest hint of it over the flying WB logo (and then perhaps a distorted version of it, sung by choir over the title)2. Harry's arrival at the Burrow and interaction with Ginny for the first time3. First shots of Hogwarts Express.That's it, finite incantatem.Umbridge's theme inexplicably appears during Slughorn's first potions lesson, Fireworks plays during Weasley Wizard Wheezes, replacing the actually quite good original cue Hooper wrote for that scene, and Fireworks again appears during the Quidditch tryouts. Possession appears in the cave scene (again, not sure why) and the End Credits are made up of Fireworks and presumably In Noctem. Fireworks appeared far too many times in lieu of original score cues - I think maybe David Yates wasn't all that happy this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 And no other JW theme was used, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The Quidditch: Third Year horn motif was used during the Quidditch match, but wasn't resolved very well. It is incorrectly credited on the soundtrack as being an adaptation of The Quidditch Match, which would be the PS cue, not the PoA cue and Hooper said he looked closely at the PoA score, not the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 And no other JW theme was used, right?Not that I know of. But I could be wrong. You usually notice more things if you watch something a couple of times, but I've only seen it once.I think I picked out two, of the three, Hedwig's Themes. I remember the one at The Burrow, and certainly the one from The Hogwarts Express (was this cue just lifted from HP1? It sounded just like the "Prologue" track.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 How did the track Dumbledore's Farewell play in the film, was it effective? That was one I liked on the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Seems to me it was just the Prologue cue, which then resolves into a new motif by Hooper, presumably representing Ginny. The unfortunate thing is that this theme has been intriguing me for months as I was eager to see how it would be developed and intersect with Hedwig's theme as Harry and Ginny's relationship developed, but alas that was the only mention of it - quite a waste!I actually found that track surprisingly moving in the film. The scene is well done and it does give a nice resolution to the In Noctem theme. It is, at least to me a better send off than the doomed character in OotP got. I found the final track The Friends, which played during the final scene involving the trio and Fawkes the Phoenix to work well in the context of the film, but had me wondering why the Fawkes theme from CoS wasn't used as it was a perfect opportunity to bring that theme back. Likewise, I'd have loved for the Chamber of Secrets theme to be expanded to represent horcruxes in this film, considering the significance of Riddle's diary to the remainder of the saga and because it is a brilliant theme that was sadly underutilised in its respective film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I would indeed have loved for the Fawkes theme to appear again. That is one of the best themes from the series, IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I agree, had Williams been completely involved in Chamber of Secrets I imagine the score would have been phenomenal. The Chamber theme is one of my favourite Williams themes of all time and would have liked to see it coupled with Voldemort's theme in the finale. Dueling The Basilisk is a great action track - the choir really gives me chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I agree, had Williams been completely involved in Chamber of Secrets I imagine the score would have been phenomenal. The Chamber theme is one of my favourite Williams themes of all time and would have liked to see it coupled with Voldemort's theme in the finale. Dueling The Basilisk is a great action track - the choir really gives me chills.If JW did come back for DH, is there a chance of the CoS theme being reused? I haven't read the book, so I don't know.But I would assume that CoS theme was a theme just for that one chamber, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The Chamber of Secrets does appear during the final battle and apparently the Chamber has been redecorated and shot with Ron and Hermione, as this is where their big kiss is going to happen. The circumstances might not be dangerous enough for the theme to recur though, although a reference to it would be splendid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 They've even put the rotting basilisk carcass in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Do Fawkes the Phoenix and Dobby appear in DH?Just answer with yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Fawkes - no.Dobby - yes. Very significant role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Fawkes - no, his departure from Hogwarts at the conclusion of HBP was the symbol of that's book/film's doomed character's departure from Harry's world. Dobby - yes, in a very major role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dammit!No reappeance of the Fawkes Theme then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Nice one DemonStar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The Chamber of Secrets does appear during the final battle and apparently the Chamber has been redecorated and shot with Ron and Hermione, as this is where their big kiss is going to happen.Gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 This is very spoilerish, but Dumbledore does reappear throughout the book in various ways, so its likely Fawkes' theme could be reestablished/expanded into a Dumbledore theme.If you don't mind spoiling yourself, the invented tracklists I posted earlier in this thread give a rundown of possible recurrences of Williams' themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I wonder if JW can use the Fawkes theme at Dobby's funeral. That'll be really touching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 This is very spoilerish, but Dumbledore does reappear throughout the book in various ways, so its likely Fawkes' theme could be reestablished/expanded into a Dumbledore theme.I highly doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well, if Williams does indeed return he has numerous options for Dumbledore: Fawkes' theme refurbished, Hooper's In Noctem reimagined or a brand new theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well, if Williams does indeed return he has numerous options for Dumbledore: Fawkes' theme refurbished, Hooper's In Noctem reimagined or a brand new theme.A brandnew theme, most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I tend to think he'd have no recollection of his themes from CoS, since he wrote them and sent them off. So yes, if DH is Williams'-scored I imagine we'll be in for mostly new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I tend to think he'd have no recollection of his themes from CoS, since he wrote them and sent them off. I think he knows how to listen to his own soundtrack albums...So yes, if DH is Williams'-scored I imagine we'll be in for mostly new material.I was only talking about the Dumbledore theme. JW never wrote a theme for him, so we get a new theme most likely (or no theme at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I hear Heyman will be sacking Yates and hiring Richard Lester to complete the film."I can not work with this man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Suddenly I'm getting the feeling that Hooper was simply NOT asked back by the producers. That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.I think Yates has SOME say in this, but after all, he's a hired gun himself so ... the producers have the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.How do you know this is just and excuse? What's your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.How do you know this is just and excuse? What's your source?Who says that I know this? I said, "I'm getting the feeling that..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.How do you know this is just and excuse? What's your source?He's Steven Spielberg! He has all the insider info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hooper suggests in that interview that Yates is quite specific about the music and made Hooper rewrite a lot of stuff. Evidently this rewrite wasn't done during the release date delay, since I saw a making-of special of HBP on Australian TV that was dated November 2008 and used pieces of Hooper's HBP score. Something is fishy with this situation - a whole new score could easily have been created during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.How do you know this is just and excuse? What's your source?He's Steven Spielberg! He has all the insider info!That too, yes.In fact, JW invited me over to his condo for dinner tonight. Afterwards he wants to play the new TinTin theme for me on the piano. You guys want me to ask him something?Hooper suggests in that interview that Yates is quite specific about the music and made Hooper rewrite a lot of stuff. Evidently this rewrite wasn't done during the release date delay, since I saw a making-of special of HBP on Australian TV that was dated November 2008 and used pieces of Hooper's HBP score. Something is fishy with this situation - a whole new score could easily have been created during that time.Well, why would you think that Yates wanted Hooper to rewrite EVERYTHING?In all likelihood, he made Hooper rewrite SOME cues or tracks that he didn't feel was strong enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 That's why he came up with all this "stress on the family" excuse.How do you know this is just and excuse? What's your source?Who says that I know this? I said, "I'm getting the feeling that..."I wouldn't accuse someone of making up famliy problems without some serious evidence. That's crossing a line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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