BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 yes Tintin will stand the test of time. not because it's the best Williams score ever, but because it's JW and JW will be remembered long after John PowellWhere's the John Powell message board with an active community like here? And 237 pages of thread archives.I'm sure those that voted for Powell are the usual suspects, Koray, Bloodboal....fans of other composers that come here to push how great their video game music is and that RCP is sometimes equal or superior to JWOh come on, KM, you're starting to sound like you usually do when you get all defensive. You of all people should know how great video game music can be, although I have no idea what that has to do with anything in this thread. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept that others don't think John Williams is a damned god.I say, "John Williams is a better composer, but Powell has done better scores than Tintin." Everyone else reads, "Powell is better than Williams."I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!Are these accurate statistics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 sorry I just need to stay out of these Williams vs. random modern film composer threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Then stay out of them. They're total garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Alan should be ashamed of himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Alan is a troublemaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Ban him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Ban him!Ban such a clever man of obvious high culture and sardonic wit? Don't be absurd my good fellow. Now that was a preposterous suggestion! Outrageous even. Harrumph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'm sure those that voted for Powell are the usual suspects, Koray, Bloodboal....fans of other composers that come here to push how great their video game music is and that RCP is sometimes equal or superior to JW.RCP composers only meet one out of the following three elements: To compose music that works well within the film AND perform-able for the concert stage AND not boring to perform for the musicians. Having composed two orchestral compositions myself, I have found meeting the "not boring to perform" requirement to be much more difficult than writing music that just "works well" with some arbitrary visuals. However, John Williams is a master at all of that, which is why his scores will always sound more complete and complex than RCP scores. And being able to write memorable melodies/themes? That's just icing on the cake when compared to those fundamentals. And of course John Williams is also a master at writing themes, which is why he's the most complete composer in Hollywood. RCP composers take the easy way out by writing simple themes with minimal orchestration. While it's a very effective technique and it certainly gets the job done in the film, it lacks creativity and complexity. So RCP vs. JW? Please. The difference between their skill levels are too vast to make a comparison. Do RCP composers even know what a woodwind section is? Just sayin...As for Powell's score, I think it's an above average score because it's more orchestral and complex than any RCP score. In terms of effectiveness within the film I think it's on par with Tintin, and possibly even better if you're a Powell fan. In terms of musical complexity, Tintin is still better. So overall, because of musical complexity, I'll have to give a slight edge to Tintin with this comparison. So the answer the OP's question is No, Powell does not kick Williams' ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Powell is better than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'm sure those that voted for Powell are the usual suspects, Koray, Bloodboal....fans of other composers that come here to push how great their video game music is and that RCP is sometimes equal or superior to JW.RCP composers only meet one out of the following three elements: To compose music that works well within the film AND perform-able for the concert stage AND not boring to perform for the musicians. Having composed two orchestral compositions myself, I have found meeting the "not boring to perform" requirement to be much more difficult than writing music that just "works well" with some arbitrary visuals. However, John Williams is a master at all of that, which is why his scores will always sound more complete and complex than RCP scores. And being able to write memorable melodies/themes? That's just icing on the cake when compared to those fundamentals. And of course John Williams is also a master at writing themes, which is why he's the most complete composer in Hollywood. RCP composers take the easy way out by writing simple themes with minimal orchestration. While it's a very effective technique and it certainly gets the job done in the film, it lacks creativity and complexity. So RCP vs. JW? Please. The difference between their skill levels are too vast to make a comparison. Do RCP composers even know what a woodwind section is? Just sayin...As for Powell's score, I think it's an above average score because it's more orchestral and complex than any RCP score. In terms of effectiveness within the film I think it's on par with Tintin, and possibly even better if you're a Powell fan. In terms of musical complexity, Tintin is still better. So overall, because of musical complexity, I'll have to give a slight edge to Tintin with this comparison. So the answer the OP's question is No, Powell does not kick Williams' ass.All I got from this post is that orchestral complexity makes a score great.Biggest load of shit I've read in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Hey gkgyver, I'm starting to like your attitude!I'm sure those that voted for Powell are the usual suspects, Koray, Bloodboal....fans of other composers that come here to push how great their video game music is and that RCP is sometimes equal or superior to JW.RCP composers only meet one out of the following three elements: To compose music that works well within the film AND perform-able for the concert stage AND not boring to perform for the musicians. Having composed two orchestral compositions myself, I have found meeting the "not boring to perform" requirement to be much more difficult than writing music that just "works well" with some arbitrary visuals. However, John Williams is a master at all of that, which is why his scores will always sound more complete and complex than RCP scores. And being able to write memorable melodies/themes? That's just icing on the cake when compared to those fundamentals. And of course John Williams is also a master at writing themes, which is why he's the most complete composer in Hollywood. RCP composers take the easy way out by writing simple themes with minimal orchestration. While it's a very effective technique and it certainly gets the job done in the film, it lacks creativity and complexity. So RCP vs. JW? Please. The difference between their skill levels are too vast to make a comparison. Do RCP composers even know what a woodwind section is? Just sayin...As for Powell's score, I think it's an above average score because it's more orchestral and complex than any RCP score. In terms of effectiveness within the film I think it's on par with Tintin, and possibly even better if you're a Powell fan. In terms of musical complexity, Tintin is still better. So overall, because of musical complexity, I'll have to give a slight edge to Tintin with this comparison. So the answer the OP's question is No, Powell does not kick Williams' ass.All I got from this post is that orchestral complexity makes a score great.Biggest load of shit I've read in awhile.No. Just read your own posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 My posts are the voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment.Angry fanboy alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I see composers are still kicking each others' butts here. I sure hope they don't drag poor Herrmann or Korngold into this. Because those two would go swashbucklingly psychotic on their hineys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I feel that Tintin is a bit more specific music while HTTYD sounds a bit more generic, as in "big adventure music easy on the ears". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 My posts are the voice of reason.In a nut-house, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 A cesspit of brooding sexual tension operating under the guise of discerning perspicacity and quiet, deliberate dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Sexual tension?I never knew you felt that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 A good John Williams score can cause such erotic urges to bubble and spill over, if left unchecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 so...what are you wearing right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Shirt and trousers, I'm in work. Just about to finish though. Going home to slip into something more... comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Mmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment.Angry fanboy alert!I'm sure John Powell has a horn concerto or two in him, and Kung Fu Panda will be enjoyed by millions in concerts worldwide. I bet someone is working on a book about his music right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm sure John Powell....will be enjoyed by millions in concerts worldwide.Already starting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Shirt and trousers, I'm in work. Just about to finish though.You are talking about work, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm sure John Powell has a horn concerto or two in him, and Kung Fu Panda will be enjoyed by millions in concerts worldwide. I bet someone is working on a book about his music right now.And that makes you....a fanboy less angry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment.Angry fanboy alert!Nope . just being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment.Angry fanboy alert!Nope . just being realistic. It took you more than two months to come up with that response..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He's not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!This.Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA.John Williams stands above entertainment.Angry fanboy alert!Nope . just being realistic. It took you more than two months to come up with that response..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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