KK 3,307 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 The love theme is easily the least memorable part of the Amazing Spider-man score to me. Wait, does The Lizard even have a theme?I actually liked the love theme. Its not as big and memorable as Horner's past romantic ideas, but I really liked how it plays out in the score.And no, Lizard doesn't seem to have a significant theme (based on first listen), but we ought to be grateful that Horner didn't rip out the danger motif as his theme instead. dadada DAAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It'll probably be in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 You've seen it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's not.And you know this... how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 The same way I know what the chronological order is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 You've seen it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 OH MY GOD! Jason LeBlanc is James Horner!I knew it! They said I was crazy!! But I was right!!! Look!! See?!? I'm not crazy! LeBlanc is Horner I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 *Danger motif plays* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 OH MY GOD! Jason LeBlanc is James Horner!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyxmD_UAK4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Horner's use of voices in The Amazing Spiderman is another interesting element, a bit more unorthodox than regular cooing choirs, those nearly chanting, grunting male voices, the distant almost Avatar styled cries in the main titles and child soprano are something I didn't quite expect to encounter in a Spiderman score but they work surprisingly well as another shading and colour in the palette of the score.The more intimate moments are lovely as well with genuine emotion and warmth, the Rooftop Kiss a prime example of this.Strange... I thought this score has one of the most unmemorable love themes I've ever heard!Actually I never said the intimate music was thematically memorable, just genuinely warm. And Horner usually focuses on the main theme in his scores anyway. I seem to remember him saying that he feels that too many themes bog the score down and confuse the audience. Horner also did eschew a villain theme in Avatar (aside from the danger motif signalling death).They obviously wanted to really to emphasize the Spiderman theme in the score which does not mean that I would not have wanted to hear a memorable Love theme and a good Villain theme in there since modern scores could do with a bit more of both.Anyway I think it will take a few more listens to spot everything thematically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I seem to remember him saying that he feels that too many themes bog the score down and confuse the audience.Definitely. When a composer pens multiple themes for the same film, he dilutes the communicative power and clarity of his music. Goldsmith understood the zero-sum relationship of thematic ideas within an individual score; Williams's most serious flaw as a film composer is that he does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, Alan, but yeah, I could agree with that. And yes, Goldsmith would be a good example.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Goldsmith was less successful, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And yet, ironically, his albums sell like no other composer's.Not that it has anything to do with your point. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And yet, ironically, his albums sell like no other composer's.Not that it has anything to do with your point. KarolIronically his albums sell like no other composer's in a very limited circle of fans.Not that it has anything to do with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Especially if we talk about 3000 CD's.Williams is a better showman, Goldsmith was, i think, better at capturing the inner workings of the film's plot. To stay on topic, Horner's approach is often more akin to JG's single-theme plus different motifs approach but while JG mostly modelled his motifs and rhythms on his main tune, Horner often does not.In SPIDERMAN, unfortunately, most of the action music not offering the main theme is just the same loud and obnoxious drivel we get in most of these films. Horner must have done this really with a chip on his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And yet, ironically, his albums sell like no other composer's.Not that it has anything to do with your point. KarolIronically his albums sell like no other composer's in a very limited circle of fans.Not that it has anything to do with your point. I like eating strawberries.Not that it has anything to do with your point. Strawberries suck. Especially spanish ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Does everyone take the invitation and comes into your mouth, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Love strawberries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicebrallice 134 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 wild strawberries are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 The way this thread derailed is amazing. No on second thought it is amazing it has not derailed sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yeah. Why? Do you want an invitation?I'm wrestling with myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 In SPIDERMAN, unfortunately, most of the action music not offering the main theme is just the same loud and obnoxious drivel we get in most of these films. Horner must have done this really with a chip on his shoulder.There is a bit of that, but I noticed that in, for example, Oscorp Tower, take away that 'clicking' going on in the foreground and it's solid orchestral work underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Is that the kind of music you initially wanted to hear more of when you became a film music fan?In SPIDERMAN we get large doses of awe-and-wonder piano á la BEAUTIFUL MIND (and you know what 'á la' means when talking about Horner), some pleasing renditions of a big horn theme for the hero which is good and well, lots of padding and action music without much replay value. Some cues are nice but as an album, it's very mundane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I have similar feelings about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Nah, it is much better than that, especially after few more listens.I still can't hear any plagiarism. Must be a miracle.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Maybe Webb just went "not no that, do something else" all the time. I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 He must have hired someone with PhD in Hornerology. It's too much for lesser people, you know.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And ended up with half of his score populated by BEAUTIFUL MIND-leftovers? American PhD's don't account for much, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I can't hear any A Beautiful Mind in there, sorry. I know what you mean but that doesn't count - not close enough. But... there is a lot of Bicentennial Man and Deep Impact in A Beautiful Mind.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 A Beautiful Mind is in there, but there are no direct quotes of anything as former Horner scores have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 That's what I mean. In my book "this-and-this score is in there" means direct lifts. A general approach/intrumentation doesn't count. Every single composer does that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And ended up with half of his score populated by BEAUTIFUL MIND-leftovers? American PhD's don't account for much, then.That's style not leftovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 That's what I mean. In my book "this-and-this score is in there" means direct lifts. A general approach/intrumentation doesn't count. Every single composer does that.KarolOh I agree, I'm quite pleased with this score in terms of originality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And ended up with half of his score populated by BEAUTIFUL MIND-leftovers? American PhD's don't account for much, then.That's style not leftovers.Who cares what label you attach to it, it's hugely familiar and, IMHO, boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And ended up with half of his score populated by BEAUTIFUL MIND-leftovers? American PhD's don't account for much, then.That's style not leftovers.Who cares what label you attach to it, it's hugely familiar and, IMHO, boring.Well, seeing as your comments on scores discussed in this forum generally tend to be most bitter and negative, that's not saying much about the score. Probably a compliment to Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 'Bitter' and 'negative' are the poor man's semantic weapon against opinions contrary to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 'Bitter' and 'negative' are the poor man's semantic weapon against opinions contrary to their own.Well in general I think of you as the stone balancing our (at times perhaps too) positive attitude in the scale of JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You mean the 'positive attitude' always bursting out in pagelong rants about Hans Zimmer? Or the anal bitching about missing seconds of suspense music from overlong complete releases?When it comes to bitching and moaning, i still can learn a lot from some posters here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You mean the 'positive attitude' always bursting out in pagelong rants about Hans Zimmer? Or the anal bitching about missing seconds of suspense music from overlong complete releases?When it comes to bitching and moaning, i still can learn a lot from some posters here...You make a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I thought you specialized in shouty clowning, not moaning/whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 When it comes to bitching and moaning, i still can learn a lot from some posters here...I am willing to teach you.I bet.I thought you specialized in shouty clowning, not moaning/whining.So did i. But James Horner's special talent, apart from his writing, seems to be to elicit extreme reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Deconstructing Goldsmith was one of the more incisive venues during the heyday of film music review sites. I for one appreciate receiving a small slice of that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why, thank you! Even i had forgotten about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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