Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Ten years of our maestro's delectable and highly sophisticated output or a trilogy of fantasy score masterpieces?It's 13 vs. 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I'd say both John Williams and Howard Shore did an excellent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Was there supposed to be a poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Hahaha, there WAS a poll a moment ago, but it appears to have vanished into thin air. Useless mobile functionality strikes again! It even had two votes...One moment...FIXED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Again? God i'm boredPeople that make this themed-polls should be banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 God i'm boredYeah, I much prefer the breathtaking action of last week. The board has been like a score lovers night club lately! Who needs gimmicky polls when you have the bouncing, thriving atmosphere of JWFan's message board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 So this was yet another poll designed to piss off KM right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Who?In all seriousness, this is a legitimate question. Not everyone here has been overly enthusiastic of Williams' modern output, in the same way there's a few here who were far from blown away by Shore's LotR. It'd be interesting to see the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Are we talking about the 4 scores Williams did in 2002 through now, or everything AFTER those four 2002 scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Those four are rightfully included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 hey quint, i'm sorry.i thought the poll was about the OT and the LOTR trilogy (somehow i thought 13 was the years williams did the OT and 3 the years shore did LOTR)so i dont think people compared the two things you mention.Definately I prefer williams output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Good point. "The last ten years of John Williams film scores" goes back to, when, August 24, 2002? FOTR debuted in 2001, did it not?I think the range needs to be "the last however many years of Williams' film scores that includes the time that the LOTR scores were known to the world." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Those four are rightfully included.So then we're talking about a span longer than 10 yearsGood point. "The last ten years of John Williams film scores" goes back to, when, August 24, 2002?Right, which is after AOTC and Minority Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 I think the range needs to be "the last however many years of Williams' film scores that includes the time that the LOTR scores were known to the world."Why? The time span over which LotR released is irrelevant here. You're missing the point.The ten was merely a healthy round figure; I didn't care to actually look to see what John's output was during that time. The past decade for me at least has just felt like his wilderness years, give or take a couple of highlights. Good point. "The last ten years of John Williams film scores" goes back to, when, August 24, 2002?Right, which is after AOTC and Minority ReportOh god... leave it to Wojo...But fine, if Professor Calculus wants to omit those two scores for Very Important reasons, be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Seriously, Chamber of Secrets, PoA, Episode III, Tin Tin, Was Horse, WotW, Memoirs of a Geisha against those 3 generic Howard Shore scores? It's not fair. I voted Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Why? The time span over which LotR released is irrelevant here. You're missing the point.Good point. I'll take LOTR over Williams' last 20 and call it a day. Ren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Stop that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 LOTR by far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Fine, fine, fine.30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Sometimes I feel LOTR overdosed in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 LOTRdose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Instead we should just have ten threads about The Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Never heard/saw The Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I like Shore's score to King Kong, oh wait, that's James Newton Howard. I like Shore's cameo in King Kong as the conductor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Instead we should just have ten threads about The Terminal.I haven't seen the film but I love the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 I like Shore's score to King Kong, oh wait, that's James Newton Howard. I like Shore's cameo in King Kong as the conductor.I agree. The Fly is another fine score, as is Silence of the Lambs. And I really enjoyed his Shutter Island music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 LOTRdose?Hyperlotrdosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I started to listen to that in the car driving last night, but I've found that driving is not the best time to break in a new score that I haven't listened to much. If I can't sing or pound the dashboard to it, it's a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 And I really enjoyed his Shutter Island music.Shore didn't work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 WTF?! I must have dreamt I saw his name on the credits ages ago when I saw the movie and since then I've believed completely that Shore wrote the score.This is just friggin' weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 his stuff for Hugo was sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I like Sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 his stuff for Sublime was hugo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 It's not really possible to compare one trilogy to 13 unrelated scores. One of the greatest elements of the LotR trilogy is how Shore develops the themes over the 3 films, but you can't really compare that to a self-contained film score, ie The Terminal. So if we're just going off visceral impact, then I would vote for JW (although LotR is great from a visceral level too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Of course it's possible. I prefer Mars Bar over 5lb spuds in a plastic bag. How difficult was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 LOTR is obviously the creative highlight of Shore's career.A much more reasonable comparison would be to put it against let's say Jaws, Superman and The Empire Strikes Back.No composer can continue to write on the level of his greatest accomplishments.Not Williams, not Shore.At least put the best they have to offer against each other, because of course Shore's work is better than Williams' output these past years.But Shore's scores are better than virtually ALL scores released after it. It's one of those rare moments where a film score truly transcends the medium.LOTR is a masterpiece, a superior work.However, I don't think it should be used to remind us of the fact that Williams' creative peak is behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 That's because a vote for LOTR seems to be, for many, a vote against John Williams himself. So they shoot down LOTR in order to save his honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 We tried the serious and respectful conversations, they all dried up. It was this or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 We tried the serious and respectful conversations, they all dried up. It was this or nothing.I think that's the first time we've ever had serious and respectful in the same sentence here. Bloodboal's excellent thread searching abilities may be able to test that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 LOTR is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Williams 2000 is overrated.Considering the last ten years of Williams presented such snorefests like Episode II, KotCS and the Terminal, it is LOTR easily. Not even his best outputs, namely War Horse and Geisha, don't reach it.Also, Shore has, in the meantime, written one or two scores that have the same entertainment factor as some of Williams' scores in the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Also, Shore has, in the meantime, written one or two scores that have the same entertainment factor as some of Williams' scores in the 2000s.In your words: none since it must be overrated crap BTW the LOTR scores have muuuuuch filler music, so not everyfucking note is the 'ride of the rohirrim' or 'add your favourite LOTR cue here' and therefore has its share of snoozefest or dullnes, like williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 FOTR has the least amount of "Filler" music IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I listened to FOTR straight and I don't remember thinking "this is filler".I didn't manage to repeat that experience with the next two scores though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 FOTR has the least amount of "Filler" music IMHO.YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 And even when the latter two's music is filler, it rarely sounds like "sound design".IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There is no filler music in FOTR. TTT has some, ROTK has lots. IMHO.The films are the same. FOTR moves along awesomely, TTT has some parts that drag, ROTK is a mess at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There is no filler music in FOTR. TTT has lots, ROTK has lots more. IMHO.fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Haha I wouldn't go that far, but I will say the stretch of Arwen/Elrond/Galadriel music in TTT is not really enjoyed much by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There is no filler music in FOTR. TTT has some, ROTK has lots. IMHO.The films are the same. FOTR moves along awesomely, TTT has some parts that drag, ROTK is a mess at times.Agreed wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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