Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Why so much bruha over Shore not being at recordings? That is what I have been wondering for quite a long time now. It must have something to do with the authorship of the music and how it is diminished by the fact that he is not conducting the music nor making the in situ changes at the podium to conform the music to the film. This has been taken as a sign of distrust and some kind of bad blood between Peter Jackson and Shore, a show of disrespect to Shore's work on the films. Or this is what I am reading from the comments around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ya ya ya ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 When have you ever heard of a big name composer not being present at the recording?COS is the one instance I can think of.It just doesn't seem to happen. Not with Zimmer, Silvestri, Giachino, Elfman, Arnold, Powell, Beltrami etc etc...But now not only isn't Shore conducting, for the first time he's using an orchestrator.What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Some folk we never forgetYa ya ya ya!Some kind we never forgiveYa ya ya ya!Haven’t seen the back of us yetYa ya ya ya!We’ll fight as long as we live! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Suuure Incanus!Sing merrily and ignore the obvious.Try not to think about things, the things you dont wanna see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I think the song applies to you disgruntled folks quite well.But at least I won't be thinking about Conrad Pope's involvement in the music every time I listen to the DoS score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Who says I'm disgruntled?I just think it's funny that we are encouraged to see the DoS recording situation as "normal". It's not. Not for Shore, not for film composers in general.Even the ones that don't conduct are there during the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Who says I'm disgruntled?I just think it's funny that we are encouraged to see the DoS recording situation as "normal".It's not. Not for Shore, not for film composers in general.Even the ones that don't conduct are there during the recording.Why should there be a strange mystery or catch in there? What is the actual concern in all of this really? Is it preferable to make up fanciful conspiracy theories or try to parse why things are happening as they are. No, it is not the normal situation like with the LotR or AUJ but what of it? Do you want some kind of justice? Explanation and apology? What?But I guess this is as good a way to pass the time before the score's release as any.'Oh and you can say "I told you so" if the DoS is going to be a lousy score Stefan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I doubt DoS is going to be a lousy score. I'm sure it will be very good, hopefully better then AUJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 He wasn't present the day those photos were taken. And we know he had to go back to NY for a lecture. Bear in mind the sessions have been going on for some months. Shore was likely there for much of the scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,939 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 i dont think so. he has never been shy on being photograped in sessions. and There is no mention of him being there from anyone. And the people involved cannot comment on it.I'm not going to award the success or lack thereof of DOS score to Pope that is for sure. Not unless it is full of flute flourishes and boom tzzs, of course SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 i dont think so. he has never been shy on being photograped in sessions. and There is no mention of him being there from anyone. And the people involved cannot comment on it.I'm not going to award the success or lack thereof of DOS score to Pope that is for sure. Not unless it is full of flute flourishes and boom tzzs, of course Weren't you expecting part of the track called The Train from the Legend of Zorro to appear in the score before you believed that Pope was in charge of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Who says I'm disgruntled? I just think it's funny that we are encouraged to see the DoS recording situation as "normal". It's not. Not for Shore, not for film composers in general. Even the ones that don't conduct are there during the recording. You are concerned that because this hasn't been done before, it might reflect the quality of the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hey that might be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,423 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Some people are mad for continuity. ("All the Middle-earth films should have the "Music Composed, Orchestrated, and Conducted by Howard Shore"!") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 You are concerned that because this hasn't been done before, it might reflect the quality of the work?Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 You are concerned that because this hasn't been done before, it might reflect the quality of the work?Bingo!Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Give big applauds to Blume! He cracked it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Some people are mad for continuity. ("All the Middle-earth films should have the "Music Composed, Orchestrated, and Conducted by Howard Shore"!")Why fix what wasn't broken? SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Howard Shore is slowly approaching 70. Maybe the mad schedules of Peter Jackson don't agree with him. He seems more of a intellectual type of person who likes to work in peace. That's how I see it.Karol Code 000. Destruct. 0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Some people are mad for continuity. ("All the Middle-earth films should have the "Music Composed, Orchestrated, and Conducted by Howard Shore"!")Why fix what wasn't broken? Obviously something wasn't working if they changed the MO this time around. Hopefully the change is for the better for all involved.Howard Shore is slowly approaching 70. Maybe the mad schedules of Peter Jackson don't agree with him. He seems more of a intellectual type of person who likes to work in peace. That's how I see it.KarolIndeed. A good point.But now I am going on like a broken record. I'll stop for now.I am just trying to be positive about this score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I think we all need to. There's nothing more to discuss here till we actually get to hear the new music and how it plays in film.(Hey, I'm repeating myself again.)Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 We've all been repeating ourselves for the last couple of pages in this thread.The radio silence on news/updates/samples of this score is unravelling the potential for discussion here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Damn the Non-Disclosure Agreements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I am just trying to be positive about this score!That's called negativity under disguise! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I am just trying to be positive about this score!That's called negativity under disguise! KarolWhat a cruel world we are living in. I have been abetting negativity by staying positive! crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't think that's a reasonable fear, Steef. This might just be the future of film scoring. If nothing else I would take a fresh and energized Shore over serving critiques over Skype to an in-person jet-lagged zombie Shore who hasn't slept in 48 hours to work on the score. crocodile and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I am just trying to be positive about this score!That's called negativity under disguise! KarolWhat a cruel world we are living in. I have been abetting negativity by staying positive! And Anakin only wanted to save Padme...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't think that's a reasonable fear, Steef. This might just be the future of film scoring. If nothing else I would take a fresh and energized Shore over serving critiques over Skype to an in-person jet-lagged zombie Shore who hasn't slept in 48 hours to work on the score.You really think Shore is able to judge a performance better over a wireless transmission rather then actually being in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I think he can judge the performance equally well. If Shore was in the room, then he would have headphones on. The headphones would be piping the same music he hears through the transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Howard Shore is slowly approaching 70. Maybe the mad schedules of Peter Jackson don't agree with him. He seems more of a intellectual type of person who likes to work in peace. That's how I see it.Karol I think that is quite different to PJ's schedule crocodile and Alex Shore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 By the way, I love the snippets heard in this video. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yeah, I love that video. His concert pieces really need to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The concerto playing in the video (is that the cello concerto?) sounds wonderful. How I'd love to hear the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Was it ever recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Well, we can hear a recording playing in the video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Well, we can hear a recording playing in the video!Yes a passage from it. Let's hope they have recorded the whole piece and Shore will release it soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Before releasing his concertos, get a deal on Kong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 That video just features the string septet and the piano concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Was that the piano concerto then? I'd like my hands on that please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yes I think the cello concerto is what he is working on in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Shore 83 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ruin and Memory...his piano concerto premiered by Lang Lang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I love it too! I found that piece to be the perfect piece to study to. I wish I could lay my hands on it.Have anyone tried asking Doug Adams anything about it? I wish he would give us some info about the piece; if it will be released and if King Kong ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Why did I just watch a video of a lonely old man locked up in a pretty house with two dogs and a piano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Because it's the guy mentioned in the thread title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Why did I just watch a video of a lonely old man locked up in a pretty house with two dogs and a piano? Because you want to be his dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 200 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 This reminds me of the TV program about his "The Fly" opera that I recorded last year and still haven't watched... which I should remedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Why did I just watch a video of a lonely old man locked up in a pretty house with two dogs and a piano?I guess watching a ladies man surrounded by hot babes (and a piano) in a groovy 1970's LA bungalow pool party would have been more suited to your liking. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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