A24 4,348 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I'm not going to read 50 pages but did someone already mention how Lynch seems to want to reintroduce 'slow pace'? The pace is as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I mean, I really need to adjust to the slow pace ... but I like it! TV has never been so slow as with Twin Peaks S3. (based on the first three eppies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scallenger 483 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Anyone here notice that the old boxing match Ms. Palmer was watching was actually on a loop (along with those weird static sounds that kept happening)? At first I thought that scene was boring, but once I realized those details I became quickly unnerved. Something is bound to happen there. BTW: Apparently German TV accidentally aired Episode 14, so be careful for spoilers on that one! I didn't read any spoilers but apparently it is epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 hour ago, scallenger said: Anyone here notice that the old boxing match Ms. Palmer was watching was actually on a loop (along with those weird static sounds that kept happening)? At first I thought that scene was boring, but once I realized those details I became quickly unnerved. Something is bound to happen there. That scene was unsettling - in a way similar to season 2, when the record skipped over and over again in the living room. Wonder if she's watching Dougie's boss's boxing match (re: the poster behind his desk) - Battlin' Bud Mullins or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Alexcremers said: I'm not going to read 50 pages but did someone already mention how Lynch seems to want to reintroduce 'slow pace'? The pace is as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey! You're definitely the only person viewing this television show to notice that the pace is on the slow side. It's definitely not the most common criticism this season of television is getting from viewers around the world. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Really? Why am I not surprised?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 5 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Nope, no one did. Good point, though! Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I think this was a really Peaksy episode. Hopefully this standard holds up for the home stretch now. I have to say that Audrey's stuff is painful - not because it's bad, but because it's annoying to see this spunky and sexy character in... whatever bind it is that she is in, rather than being the character we all want her to be. Lynch is a tease, and by god he has a fantastic sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 A much more enjoyable episode than last week's that's for sure. The final third was weak, but Just You at the Road House was at least good for a giggle. I mean, I didn't feel like fast-fowarding this time. Not even the Jacoby scene! The drawn out insight into Sarah Palmer's sad life I could have done without though. It's annoyed me that I can't really enjoy the slow scenes of 'nothingness' in Twin Peaks anymore - purely due to the sheer excess of them throughout the entire season; because in moderation I think such extended scenes of 'uncomfortable weirdness' have their place in the broader canvas of the Twin Peaks experience, but it has just become so much of a thing now, so much of a thematic meta, that I'm just worn out by every unnecessarily prolonged moment on a scene by scene basis. The snail's pace of Lynch's vision this time really dragged down the dramatic sweep of the show overall for me, it's harmed the story in a way which I can't see it fully recovering from after everything is complete, and I come to ponder my lasting impressions of The Return. It'll probably looking something like this: "A maddening, brilliant work of television, the most deeply frustrating thing I've ever watched. Should have been 9 episodes of fabulous, unique TV. So easily could have been." 7 hours ago, BloodBoal said: By the time you adjust, the show gets even slower. The first three episodes were slow in a way which felt new and utterly captivating. It just doesn't work over 18 very long episodes though. 2001: A Space Odyssey was slow but it doesn't touch Twin Peaks in that regard, not even close. That's because Kubrick never ground things to a halt, he kept the creeping momentum very clearly defined and in focus, he took his time but he was actually very economical with his storytelling. Then you remember you're really just comparing 3 hours to 18, and the point becomes moot anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 While not bereft of qualities (I could name several), I think ep. 13 is the most underwhelming episode I've seen so far this season, for a myriad of different reasons that I'm too lazy to list right now. That Audrey Horne stuff is just embarassing, for example, and anti-climactic. No, now that I've accepted the fact that this won't be a nostalgia trip, I prefer the episodes when he goes more all-out with the craziness. This one felt (mostly) disappointingly conventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 There are qualities in all of the installments. That's why this is so galling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Most frustrating tv show ever? Could be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 7/2/2017 at 8:01 PM, Thor said: I think this was just a straight-up ode to Marlon Brando in ONE-EYED JACKS You mean Brando in The Wild One, right? In the same episode, beautiful contrasting shots when the director of the casino got a beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 THE WILD ONE, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Disappointingly, just another pointless cameo, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Well, the show is the ultimate, post-modern fantasy. Past situations, places and characters broken down and divided into fragments, and then re-interpreted (notice how few of the characters are actually anything like in the original run). That's a commendable project, I'd say, even if it probably alienates fans of the first two seasons. Interestingly, 90s TWIN PEAKS was also considered post-modern at the time, so this -- then -- would be post-post-modern. I don't know if we have a term for that yet. "Meta" is part of it, but not exclusively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 34 minutes ago, Thor said: That's a commendable project, I'd say, even if it probably alienates fans of the first two seasons. I, probably like a couple of the others here, have been spending a decent amount of time entrenched in various Twin Peaks/Lynch fan communities for a while now, and I have seen this used as an argument a few times before, and I think it's nothing more than a convenient fallacy constructed as an easy way to ward off and be dismissive of literally any criticism or dissatisfaction surrounding the new series. Because actually, Twin Peaks fans are by far the most zealously defensive watchers of The Return out there. I very rarely encounter the "alienation" you mentioned. In fact I only really see fans who can't wait for the full eighteen episodes to be in the public domain, such is the allure of the many questions posed by what has been revealed so far. But that does not mean the journey hasn't been problematic for some of those viewers, often for perfectly valid reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Obviously these "fans" don't have as firm a grasp of Lynch's style as Thor does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, Quintus said: I, probably like a couple of the others here, have been spending a decent amount of time entrenched in various Twin Peaks/Lynch fan communities for a while now, and I have seen this used as an argument a few times before, and I think it's nothing more than a convenient fallacy constructed as an easy way to ward off and be dismissive of literally any criticism or dissatisfaction surrounding the new series. Well, it's just an attempted description of what this particular project might be (or within what tradition it might be viewed). I happen to like it, but I can understand those who don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Yes, that's fine. Plenty absolutely love The Return. But we can safely remove the original series from the equation here, and still have the same debate, the same differences of opinion. Similar to how we do in the Game of Thrones thread, or the film one. The same way we do about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Quintus said: Yes, that's fine. Plenty absolutely love The Return. But we can safely remove the original series from the equation here, and still have the same debate, the same differences of opinion. Similar to how we do in the Game of Thrones thread, or the film one. The same way we do about anything. I'm not sure what your argument is. That we should not talk about the original series when talking about The Return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think the original series and one's orientation on it needs to be stated or considered as a qualifier when debating the merits and flaws of The Return. It's entirely its own thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Very much so. One the one hand I admire that, on the other...i do miss certain aspects of the old show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Quintus said: No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think the original series and one's orientation on it needs to be stated or considered as a qualifier when debating the merits and flaws of The Return. It's entirely its own thing. Oh. Well, I agree. On the other hand, the two approaches are so different, one should at the very least recognize that they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 It's impossible not too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Isnt the movie a very different animal from either show? So what is it that defines Twin Peaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Isnt the movie a very different animal from either show? So what is it that defines Twin Peaks? It is, but it's closer to the original show than THE RETURN, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Isnt the movie a very different animal from either show? So what is it that defines Twin Peaks? Very different, indeed. The last time the fans and the critical fraternity conveyed their discontent with a Twin Peaks follow-up, Lynch spat his dummy out and went on to declare Twin Peaks "dead as a doornail". That could still happen again, but let's hope not hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 You want more after this? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 07/08/2017 at 0:40 PM, Stefancos said: Episode 13 was certainly a step up from last weeks. mainly because some excellent stuff with Mr. C. The arm wrestling scene was great. And the little interragation with Ray seems like it might put Mr. C on route to Twin Peaks soon. The first part of the episode had a strong Tarantino feeling to it, I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: You want more after this? Really? No I meant I hope Lynch doesn't throw another paddy over it if some people say they were disappointed. .. Weird headline which doesn't seem to match the statements made in the actual article: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/twin-peaks-revival-next-season I interpret this as "if it's deemed a success then more could be on the cards." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Finally watched the last episode. It's decent I guess. My patience for it all is just wearing thin. The Roadhouse song at the end did put a smile on my face though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Of course you did. But you don't discriminate - where possible you read the spoilers for stuff you do care about, you harvest it all. You can't fool me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 We caught up to the latest episode too. Are they just throwing all continuity out the window now? Coop and the casino brother's waltz into his work clearly straight on from their scenes 2 episodes ago, yet last week we saw a scene with Coop at home in the backyard with his kid. Bobby tells Norma they found something of his father's "today", yet that was 3-4 episodes ago, and Bobby had that whole night sequence with the kid who shot at the diner and he had to go to the van and talked to the lady yelling in the car behind it, etc. WTF is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 This stuff has been being openly debated elsewhere for weeks; people are theorising that events aren't necessarily taking place in the same timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, Quintus said: This stuff has been being openly debated elsewhere for weeks; people are theorising that events aren't necessarily taking place in the same timeline. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,378 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Right, I mean, what's the point of pausing the story of Coop with the casino brothers to show him placing baseball with his kid one week instead, then returning to it later. What's the point of pausing the story of Bobby, Truman, and Hawk following leads left by Bobby's dad to show Bobby helping out when the restaurant is shot at, then returning to it weeks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Point? Its Twin Peaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Meh. This show really doesn't need 18 episodes to tell the story it means to. So far, the first few and episode 8 are the keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Pure story wise there's about 4 hours of material. Probably 5 when the show finishes. I really wonder if they didn't just pad out the originally proposed 10 episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Jay said: Right, I mean, what's the point of pausing the story of Coop with the casino brothers to show him placing baseball with his kid one week instead, then returning to it later. What's the point of pausing the story of Bobby, Truman, and Hawk following leads left by Bobby's dad to show Bobby helping out when the restaurant is shot at, then returning to it weeks later. Of all the issues, none of these actually bother me. It's the hours and hours of nothingness in between that have been the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Agreed. Twin Peaks is a surrealist fantasy. No needs for everything to fit together perfectly or make real-world sense. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Much better. First proper Twin Peaks episode in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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