KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I miss those long posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There is too much patting on the back in these parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 So, getting back to the ominous Death motif, since I got my piano book today as well, could it be that motif popping up here and there that I could never place, like at the end of Courage And Wisdom on oboe, after the final statement of Tauriel's/Legolas' theme, and in Sons of Durin, the passage before the grand statement of Erebor kicks in (around 2:05). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Isn't it just the soprano melody from "The Fallen"? Seems like the most obvious candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 But that doesn't appear in numerous tracks, as it was suggested by Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 Doug could be forgetting which tracks made the final OST and which didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 The user specifically asked about OST tracks.Doug forgot details about the LotR OSTs while burrowing through tons of recording sessions for the CRs. I don't think he's done that for the Hobbit yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Of course, no one does it better than Inky! "Used to"! He barely does that anymore...I miss those long posts Yeah, what happened to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Moderatorship changed you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 And not entirely for the better, Mr. Cosman.Actually having a steady job where you stare the monitor all day leaves me usually kind of burned out on concentrated writing in the evenings.The Hobbit music is all nice and interesting to theorize about but Doug's upcoming book which is the "official" word on the matter doesn't encourage me to write long essays on these scores as I would see them upstaged in every respect by the canonical sources when the book comes out.BB is doing great work on his videos as that part of the puzzle is likely not discussed in the book and speculating on these different possibilities of how the music originally fit the movie or cut is fun and very illuminating.I listened to this score last night and it seems to get stronger with each listen, partly because you start noticing the less obvious themes and little passages more clearly. I still hope the mix would be better as I am not too fond of the bass heavy detail obscuring one on the album as I have said a few times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Indeed!You used to be like a young Hobbit, walking wide eyed and free through the beauty of the shire.But now you have a mind of metal, and wheels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Actually having a steady job where you stare the monitor all day leaves me usually kind of burned out on concentrated writing in the evenings.Just quit your job, then.Yes. This forum is far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Neat!Ooop, that second shot is from the DOS recording sessions - cue MR 255 is on the sheets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Well Conrad says as much in his comment:Conrad PopePeter Jackson, the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, and I sharing a joke at the end of the recording of Howard Shore's score to "The Desolation of Smaug". " No harder job, no finer colleagues, no greater sense of relief at having crossed the "finish line". The working composer, orchestrator, conductor could ask for no finer- nor good humored and patient - group of collaborators than the NZSO. In the "film music business" there is no greater gift than "clarity" about what the director wants and his needs for his film, and Peter Jackson knew to the quaver and frame what he wanted, what he needed, and what he would accept. To have worked and to have delivered that to "PJ" is one of the finest moments- and most cherished- of my rather checkered career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 But there's one observation I had after reading/watching a lot of material. As much as Conrad Pope is willing to share his experiences and approach, he does say very little about Howard Shore's music itself. We don't know what he really thinks about the writing itself.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 But there's one observation I had after reading/watching a lot of material. As much as Conrad Pope is willing to share his experiences and approach, he does say very little about Howard Shore's music itself. We don't know what he really thinks about the writing itself.KarolTrue. I seem to remember one of his prior comments to the NZSO where he remarked of wishing they could perform music better suited for them or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Well, I doubt he meant anything negative to them. Maybe he meant that they don't get "used enough" for projects like this. It can mean anything. I don't want to open a can of worms here, just a general observation. I mean, he always says how good Desplat and Williams are even when working on their projects.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 And of course everybody has to universally love these scores. Otherwise they will be thrown into the fiery pits of Mt. Doom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Is 1:44 in Battle For The Mountain, where it segues into Dain's B-phrase, an edit? Or was the film version, with the interlude of the Woodland Realm theme created editorially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 BloodBoal discussed that right here, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Is it possible there is not an edit at 1:44 in the track, and your album version video is close to the way the footage was like when Shore originally scored the film in that area, and then later PJ decided to add a bunch more shit in that area of the film so the additional music got written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Could well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I suspect the jumping Elves were always part of the plan, so I think BB is right on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 We should take into consideration that they did compile the OSTs with listenability in mind so tweaks and edits to the material are all possible and likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Is it possible there is not an edit at 1:44 in the track, and your album version video is close to the way the footage was like when Shore originally scored the film in that area, and then later PJ decided to add a bunch more shit in that area of the film so the additional music got written?What Barny said.I doubt that originally, the Dwarves charged the Orcs without the Elves joining the battle.Who knows, with computers you can do anything and second guess to your heart's content! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 The footage used in BB's video might not be the footage Shore wrote that music to, either. There's a lot we don't know about BOFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Well whatever he scored might not be in that cut of the film either. There was a lot of footage in DOS he scored that wasn't used in either version of the film; Based on the amount of Missing Footage cards you had to use for your BOFA videos, I expect there to be even more this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Will there really be EE's? How much is actually missing?As for BOT5A. The 2 CD set is already too long. Such a letdown of a score. Especially after the promise of DoS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't always be so critical Stefan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,377 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 What? EE refers to longer cuts of the films. CR refers to expanded score CDs. As for how much music is missing: Over an hour for AUJ, maybe 30 minutes for DOS, and we don't know about BOFA, but at least 30 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't always be so critical Stefan!Look who's talking. Bashing these films at any turn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't always be so critical Stefan!Look who's talking. Bashing these films at any turn!Hey I had to wait for your disgruntled post like forever to make that accusing finger pointing post! You are usually cheerful and sugary as cotton candy when it comes to these films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think there could be a possibility that the dwarves were charging the orcs first without the elves, to give them a heroic moment, and the elves charge after Gandalf says "This is madness!"In any case, the Woodland Realm statement in that moment is definitely original, and not tracked, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Yeah. It is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 In any case, the Woodland Realm statement in that moment is definitely original, and not tracked, right?I think it is a new recording at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm glad I have become synonymous with these mysterious war beasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't always be so critical Stefan!Look who's talking. Bashing these films at any turn! Hey I had to wait for your disgruntled post like forever to make that accusing finger pointing post! You are usually cheerful and sugary as cotton candy when it comes to these films! Ive so far been among the first to review them and the first to point out their flaws!I just don't drone on about them for 3 years.But year the last score is a huge letdown. Nothing but a repetition of what was already there, almost nothing new brought to the table.What a contrast with ROTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't always be so critical Stefan!Look who's talking. Bashing these films at any turn!Hey I had to wait for your disgruntled post like forever to make that accusing finger pointing post! You are usually cheerful and sugary as cotton candy when it comes to these films! Steef's Hobbit posts are so sugary they make me sick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Show me those posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I had no idea I saw so obsessed with Azog's war beasts...thank you for exposing this unhealthy interestNow just imagine what I'm going to do if the bastard things aren't in the EE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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