Faleel 5,348 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 That's what I was thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I guess the Marvel.com announcement was incomplete; Whoever runs the "elfmanburton" FSM account posted a corrected tracklist to the FSM threadWasn't that account name created to communicate info for the development of the Elfman-Burton box? I think that's Richard Kraft, but I could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Meh. Erskine's music for the SW trailer is better than this crap!FixedThe Ultron cue is underwhelming to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is Richard Kraft's FSM account: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/userposts.cfm?user=kraftland -------- Fascinating. The *s in the track listing didn't indicate Silvestri themes; They indicate cues not used in the film. Source: http://marvel.com/news/movies/24446/marvels_avengers_age_of_ultron_original_soundtrack_available_digitally_april_28 Funny how they are both Elfman cues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 They might be "concert version" and alternates?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 "Danny, it's expected now to have loads of unused music written for blockbusters, so could you come in and write some for us? We just have too much useful material!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Here is our (read: Charlie's) review:http://www.filmsonwax.co.uk/aou/Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hmm, so no Captain America theme then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 OK, I'll admit your review got me a bit excited about this score.. Hope it doesn't disappoint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Elfman stuff is cool. Tyler's... Not so much.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Listen to a cue by Tylerhttp://www.classicfm.com/composers/tyler/news/avengers-age-of-ultron-soundtrack/#VrVKwI1L0J7J3rGy.97Sounds like crap, as expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Both Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World were actually much better.But Danny Elfman sort of saved the day. He wrote a theme that is sort of in the language of Marvel sound. By that, I mean it honours Brian Tyler and his trademark chord progressions (a la Iron Man theme). And it makes a bridge between that masculine stuff and Alan Silvestri's music. But he takes those into even more heroic heights. I've never bever heard Elfman write this sort of stuff before, it's so ridiculously heroic and his more substantial orchestral arrangements (as compared to Tyler's) make for a more breezier take on established Marvel stuff. So, he doesn't really abandon Brian Tyler's sound, just "old-fashions" it a bit, if that makes sense. It almost sounds like it could belong to a swashbuckling pirate movie sometimes. It's not the greatest tune ever but really infectious in its enthusiasm. And first four-five notes of Silvestri's theme are intertwined with it (they are sometimes stated in counterpoint to each other).Kaorl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 By "old-fashions" it, do you mean makes it sound less like Tyler's tried, cliche 90s/00s power anthems? In which case, there might be hope for this yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Listen to a cue by Tylerhttp://www.classicfm.com/composers/tyler/news/avengers-age-of-ultron-soundtrack/#VrVKwI1L0J7J3rGy.97Sounds like crap, as expectedI don't hear anything bad. Sounds like Tyler's channeling Silvestri, especially in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Listen to a cue by Tylerhttp://www.classicfm.com/composers/tyler/news/avengers-age-of-ultron-soundtrack/#VrVKwI1L0J7J3rGy.97Sounds like crap, as expectedOoof. Yea, didn't really like that at all. Bummer., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I mean that it is based around Tyler-y chords (and Silvestri's) but it's arranged in a more symphonic way. So more heroic trumpets, Elfman's string ostinatos and stuff like that. He adds a more carefree whimsical quality to all that masculine Marvel sound. I actually quite like it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 You are getting me excited for this Karol. Thankful for Elfman, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Maybe they should've rescored it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's sounding more and more to me that Elfman would (and should) have completely replaced Tyler's effort had there been enough time to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Let's hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I rather like that track. Cautiously looking forward to this score.Nice cameo from Silvestri's theme near the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's sounding more and more to me that Elfman would (and should) have completely replaced Tyler's effort had there been enough time to do so.They had time! Horner wrote scores Aliens, Krull and Troy in less time then Elfman was given for his contribution to The Avengers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 The press viewed the film last week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hmm, I actually quite like the second half of that cue. Wouldn't have expected it to have been written by Tyler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 The press viewed the film last week!Several weeks after Elfman completed his contribution.Danny Elfman and a bunch of orchestrators could have done a complete score in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Maybe Elfman didn't want to do a whole score. After all, Goldsmith said he would never do it again after AF1.And we don't know the nature of the problems with Tyler's score - maybe it wasn't serious enough to warrant a complete replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I wonder if it wasn't Whedon who wasn't happy with much what Tyler was doing.Marvel seemed to consider him their golden boy, but maybe Whedon disagreed and overruled Marvel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Whedon is not a musical nitwit, so your conjecture is logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Do Tyler's score have a tendency of leaking?It would make for an interesting comparison between his original compositions and the Elfman replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 A ton of his scores have leaked, yea. However, nothing from the last 5 years or so really have, apart from the ones that ended up "leaking" thanks to FYC sites (TMNT) and Soundcloud (Now You See Me). Oh, actually Iron Man 3 did leak, but Thor 2 still hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Tyler was right about it being an homage to John Williams, he almost breaks out into the Force Theme at the end of this piecehttps://m.soundcloud.com/classic_fm/avengers-age-of-ultron-rise-together-brian-tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not my words. Tyler said it'll be an homage to Williams. Not sure what he meant by it but those last few seconds are basically Star Wars. So more of a copy and paste than an homage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah...this is the man that calls this a tribute to Corigliano after all...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ9q1b4yhwY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 That doesn't have the "feel" of a Williams action cue, apart from maybe the Ludlow's Demise riff showing up again... But yea at the end he rips off the first 5 notes of The Force Theme, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That's an incidental coincidence. Probably just put that interval in there to make that moment sound heroic.Maybe Tyler thinks real orchestra + woodwind runs = homage to John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think he was suggesting the way it will be written is an homage to Williams. He was probably asked by a clueless journalist about 'what it will sound like' and he replied with that, suggesting motifs, thematically written etc, instead of brahmsssss and some techno drum hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That is brilliant. This will be the soundtrack of the year surely? A pity half of Tylers score has been rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah...this is the man that calls this a tribute to Corigliano after all...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ9q1b4yhwYLol. Yeah I remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 At least there's some good about the Score immediately evident in that piece. Tyler has used Silvestri's Captain America Theme. You can hear him nod to it at 0:23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Here we go! Interview with Brian Tyler where he discusses working with Elfmanhttp://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=14466 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Transcript please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Oh so they were both working till the end.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 You can just start listening from the beginning. Literally the first question asked is about working with Elfman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The Internet is a text medium. I try not to go audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Tyler was right about it being an homage to John Williams, he almost breaks out into the Force Theme at the end of this piecehttps://m.soundcloud.com/classic_fm/avengers-age-of-ultron-rise-together-brian-tylerWow, that actually sounds pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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