SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I'm not convinced it's going to be in the EE. It would make sense to have more Beorn at the beginning if they're going to be expanding his role at the end, but I'm not sure how they're going to work it back in as things stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 That looks like something that should have gone into DoS and Beorn's telling of his backstory as a some kind of flashback rather in BotFA. I can't imagine where they could introduce a scene where Beorn is tortured in Dol Guldur in the final film. There doesn't seem to be a logical place for it in there without it feeling very tacked on.If it were to happen during the events of BotFA it would mean that at some point we have to see Beorn getting caught while trying to save Gandalf, then being tortured, then being released and then heading back to Rhosgobel with Gandalf and Radagast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 They should just put his scenes anywhere! It doesn't matter anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Don't forget that Radagast and Beorn are flying in on the eagles together. How on earth would they know each other in the movie universe? Seems to me that Radagast, while carrying Gandalf out of Dol Guldur, is spotting Beorn as well, and rescuing him. Beorn could easily be removed from the current version, and Rosgobel, via CGI, and don't forget the staff issue with Gandalf. I reckon that the Dol Guldur aftermath at Rosgobel will be quite expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 But how will Beorn end up captured in Dol Guldur when there is indication he was ever going there in DoS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Perhaps Beorn goes to Dol Guldur and has a flashback there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe he simply gets captured?I recognize that it's not really feasible that he would get captured with his enormous strength, but that isn't feasible in Dol Guldur either, when the fortress has emptied its armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Aha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I don't think it necessarily explains the Radagast theme being abandoned (as far as I can tell, it was the motif that some dubbed 'Shadow over Mirkwood'). That could have been intended to score part of the Rhosgobel sequence for all we know. It's obvious he's going to have more screen time in the EE in any case, there's some very apparent odd ADR in that Rhosgobel scene in the TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Part of me wants to say Doug confirmed it, but I'd probably be lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I remember Doug confirming that it was Radagast material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 He did confirm that that theme was Radagastian, but he didn't confirm exactly which bit of Radagast material was going to appear in BOFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Didn't he say the Radagast material was there only at an early stage, but dropped for the final version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Meaning it was never recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 http://www.filmratings.com/search.html?filmTitle=hobbit&x=0&y=0Jackson did warn about this. Fuck it, I'm game. At least it's not dwarf-elf sex driving up the rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 If it means more Beorn tearing shit up it has to be a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Wow, that's crazy. I remember him saying he had to tone back the cut quite significantly because a few frames and a few orc decapitations can still push you over the edge and into R rating territory.Gobsmacked to see them actually push ahead for the EE. Something positive to salvage from that trainwreck, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yeah here's that quote:What would you have done if you had the R rating?Oh all sorts of great things. I will tell you what, you wait for the extended cut of this film. There are a few Orc killings that we actually got knocked back. Because when we submitted this to the MPAA we got an R. So what you’re seeing is the result of heavy editing to even just get the PG-13. But there will be a little bit of Orc killing to be seen in the extended cuthttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/no-regrets-peter-jackson-says-goodbye-to-middle-earth.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Gotta be Beorn stuff then, I'm guessing. Do we know if they've reinstated his scenes at Dol Goldur? Based on the music and editing of his (currently) only appearance, it'd be a little out of place to see extra scenes of him there.EDIT: Watching this, seems pretty obvious to me that we'll see the blade actually pierce Fili's chest and blood on Azog's sword afterwards. It definitely plays out in a very "censored for children" way in the theatrical cut, with a particularly noticeable edit at 0:38: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So, they "even just got" the PG 13 rating? BOTFA doesn't strike me as a violent film. Did standards change? In Fellowship, in Balin's Tomb, Aragorn beheads a goblin, after which blood is springing from his neck like a fountain. Didn't seem to bother anyone back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Fuck off:https://www.spio-fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1508\148566aV.pdf19 measly stinking minutes? You promised us 30 Jackson. This won't even scratch the surface of the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The EE was never going to be able to fix the film's core problems anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 At this point I'm honestly wondering if they're holding stuff back for the super box set, what between this and Jackson's promise of 20-25 minutes restored to AUJ, and the number of deleted scenes from DoS we know to exist (the journey through Dale, the introduction to Thranduil, the Palantir scene). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Fuck off:https://www.spio-fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1508\148566aV.pdf19 measly stinking minutes? You promised us 30 Jackson. This won't even scratch the surface of the problems.The EEs aren't intended to make the film better. Jackson made it clear on ROTK that he doesn't put stuff back inthat he doesn't think is "fun to put in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Come on this is Peter Jackson we're talking about here! The bastard put 50 minutes back into ROTK, including a drinking game and Gimli's bullshit in the Paths of the Dead. It seems like pretty much everything was being thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Or maybe PJ was just tired of it all and didn't bother adding some material he originally wanted to insert back into the film.That's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yeah. I'm guessing he just wants to wash his hands of this franchise and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well let's just hope he's put back in the absolute necessary shit: more Dol Guldur, more inside Erebor pre-battle, the Beorn/Radagast arc, the Bilbo and Bofur scene, something involving Thrain and breaking the news of Thorin, more battle (particularly the resolution and Beorn), more ending (funeral, farewells, Dain's coronation, the journey home). Am I missing anything? We certainly don't need more Alfrid, Legolas and Tauriel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 No it isn't. I wouldn't bother adding anything to the opening sequence; it's sufifciently long enough as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 There was definitely a lot cut out of the opening battle with Smaug. Lots of finished CGI shots in the trailer of Bard's rooftop escapades in Laketown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Didn't Doug say there was some great stuff from the back-end of the film we had yet to hear? Of course, whether or not we actually will is another matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 We will have spFuck off:https://www.spio-fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1508\148566aV.pdf19 measly stinking minutes? You promised us 30 Jackson. This won't even scratch the surface of the problems.It says there it's PG-12 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I expect the BBFC to rate it the same as the theatrical cut. I'd be shocked if the film itself was awarded a 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 We will have spHuh?oops i was goign to say something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Some things are best left unsaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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