Holko 9,530 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 why though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 For variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 That's fair; It's technically not much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Agreed. The differences are marginal (really only the unnecessary -- but also very intriguing -- 'cocoon' sequence that sticks out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Personally, I don't think that there's much in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, Richard said: Personally, I don't think that there's much in it. In what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 TV vs DC. I like both. The while Dallas/Brett/cocoon thing is superfluous, but it's still a good alternate version; neither better, nor worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Yup, agreed. I'm just so totally in love with this universe, I want to see as much footage as possible. But there's no doubt that the omission of that sequence helps the focus and momentum of the film's finale. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I'm glad that the full "alien throwing Jones' cage away" shot, was included. I always hated that music edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Yes. Great little detail. Also says a lot about the xeno -- the cat is not relevant enough for survival. First hint of the stronger 'personality' traits that it gets in the later escape craft finale (like the inner mouth behaving as a middle finger to Ripley, telling her "you better stay the fuck off, and let me be here -- or I'll kill you"). I wonder if I'm the only one who's felt a bit sorry for the alien in its demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I prefer the TV of Alien. It's my second favourite film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Alexcremers said: And apparently, the average JWfaner doesn't outgrow this stage. Personally, I think EVERYTHING has a limited shelf-life. The more you watch, hear or experience something, the quicker it reaches its expiration date. That's why I try not to watch my absolute favorite movies too much. Try not to watch, too much. TRY NOT TO WATCH, TOO MUCH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Brundlefly said: I prefer the TV of Alien. It's my second favourite film. Ultimately, I do too. And it's my second favourite film too -- although it shares that spot with its sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Thor said: Ultimately, I do too. And it's my second favourite film too -- although it shares that spot with its sequel. What a coincidence, although Aliens on the other hand is not even in my top 50. Which two films share the winner's podium with Alien/Aliens for you? 1. 2. Once Upon a Time in America Alien 3. The Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 As much as I like and admire ALIENS, I'm afraid that ALIEN shits all over it, from a great height. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 hours ago, Thor said: Yes. Great little detail. Also says a lot about the xeno -- the cat is not relevant enough for survival. First hint of the stronger 'personality' traits that it gets in the later escape craft finale (like the inner mouth behaving as a middle finger to Ripley, telling her "you better stay the fuck off, and let me be here -- or I'll kill you"). I wonder if I'm the only one who's felt a bit sorry for the alien in its demise. In general, I love how weird the climax feels. Of course it's tense 'cause you have the protagonist trapped with this creature that seems indestructible, but the xenomorph is pretty chill in that scene...there's a certain tranquility to it, but it's the kind of uneasy stillness that happens when you're in a potentially life-or-death situation and you don't know if you're gonna be alright by the end of it. I don't remember musically what's going on there, but I want to say Goldsmith plays into that feeling, too...was it unscored? And when the xenomorph is finally gone, there's relief, but to me it always felt more weary than "hell yeah!" But of course you, Thor, would lament the death of an inhuman creature that kills people that have very human personality. 9 hours ago, Thor said: (like the inner mouth behaving as a middle finger to Ripley, telling her "you better stay the fuck off, and let me be here -- or I'll kill you"). According to Scott and Goldsmith, there was a different part of anatomy that was supposed to evoke.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: According to Scott and Goldsmith, there was a different part of anatomy that was supposed to evoke.... Of course. It's phallic (literally killing its prey by an act of penetration). Paul Sammon goes into this too, in his excellent book about Scott. One of several Freudian images in Giger's designs. But in that particular scene, it's used more as a 'warning' to Ripley. It knows she is there, and it knows it's the way to further survival. But then she provokes it out of its hiding place. Quote What a coincidence, although Aliens on the other hand is not even in my top 50. Which two films share the winner's podium with Alien/Aliens for you? ALIEN and ALIENS share the second place on the alltime podium for me. They're both two of cinema history's greatest masterpieces, for different reasons. The 'winner' for me is JURASSIC PARK. Incidentally, I just now finished ALIENS too, for the umpteenth time. The Special Edition, of course, which I -- like Cameron himself -- think is the superior version ("40 miles of bad road", as he says). I've always wanted to see more of Hadley's Hope beyond what's in the excellent Newt family prologue. Love that shot of the main 'street', with the Bar sign. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Thor said: Of course. It's phallic (literally killing its prey by an act of penetration). Paul Sammon goes into this too, in his excellent book about Scott. One of several Freudian images in Giger's designs. But in that particular scene, it's used more as a 'warning' to Ripley. It knows she is there, and it knows it's the way to further survival. But then she provokes it out of its hiding place You're not wrong, but what I was getting at was that Goldsmith even described that particular moment as lascivious, to which Scott wanted that portrayed musically (before deciding it'd be more effective without music). So they were going for more of a sexual predator, rape subtext in that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Yeah, that's also a feasible interpretation, especially given Ripley's semi-nude, exposed vulnerability. But the 'rape' analogy works better in other parts of the movie, IMO. The dropship sequence is more of a "tease" or middle finger, IMO. They no doubt made the right call on the absence of music, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Basically, the design in alien consists exclusively of cocks and vaginas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Probably ID4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyecks 33 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 It's got to be "Creepshow" for me. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 2:26 PM, Richard said: As much as I like and admire ALIENS, I'm afraid that ALIEN shits all over it, from a great height. I love both but Alien was more shocking while Aliens is more fun, its far more quotable, better acted directed and scored. Johnnyecks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Better acted??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Better acted??? Yes. Sigourney Weaver was Oscar nominated. Her performance is iconic. The film features a great ensemble cast. Both films do really. I am not criticizing Alien, I am praising Aliens more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Yappet Koto and John Hurt give brilliant performances in Alien! Johnnyecks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyecks 33 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: Yappet Koto and John Hurt give brilliant performances in Alien! Don't forget Veronica Cartwright. Besides when she couldn't control herself from vomiting cherry pits, this was my favorite role of hers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Ian Holm is first rate too actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Ian Holm is one of the five best actors alive, so that goes without saying. He was in a class of his own in ALIEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 As I said both films have great ensemble casts. But both films are grounded in Weaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Who gave an outstanding performance in Alien. You can't say she's better in Aliens because of the Oscar nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I can and I did. I do believe she gave a better performance but she also had a lot more to do.she was up to the challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Alien was a bit more of an ensemble work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Both films featured stock characters. Yet all made them their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I don’t keep track but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Jaws, Smokey and The Bandit, Star Wars, Superman, Airplane!, King Kong (1933), Gojira (1954), 7th Voyage of Sinbad, The 10 Commandments, Patton, CE3K and Jason and the Argonauts at least 15-20 times each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 For me, nothing surpasses Star Wars. The originals probably take the top three spots based on how many marathons I've done over the years. After The Force Awakens came out I saw it numerous times in the span of two years. Runners up include Jaws, Jurassic Park, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Lord of the Rings, and Raiders of the Lost Ark. I'm kind of ashamed to admit it, but when I saw La La Land I fell in love with it so much. I've probably seen it ten times in a short span. It was a go-to feel good movie. I saw Darkest Hour three times since it came out. I can be pretty ridiculous about quickly over watching new movies I enjoy, which is why I've taken a break from the regular repeated material to experiment with new-to-me movies from a wide range of genres in a great number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I saw TLOTR movies a total of zero times at the theatre. But there are those here who if my total is factored with their totals I have seen it at least a dozen times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 In the last year, I've compiled a list of how many individual films I've seen in my lifetime, which includes movies I've seen at the cinema or on video, TV or on the internet. Feature-length theatrical films, TV movies and direct-to-video films qualify, but short films don't, since I can't remember the titles of any that I've seen, and there aren't many anyway. The list total as of today comes to 1,702. Some of you would probably scoff at that and go "errr that's not many". Well when you factor in that I've had a life outside of film fandom that doesn't involve sitting on my arse watching movies day in and day out, that number isn't too bad. But I'm still not satisfied and would like to reach numbers like 3,000 or 5,000 that online cinenuts like to brag. But even if you think that number is low, you don't really know until you've taken the time and effort to count each individual film. Most people couldn't be bothered and instead they make rough guesses that could be way off the ballpark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, dougie said: The list total as of today comes to 1,702. Some of you would probably scoff at that and go "errr that's not many". Well when you factor in that I've had a life outside of film fandom that doesn't involve sitting on my arse watching movies day in and day out, that number isn't too bad. Aren't you always online though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Aren't you always online though? I didn't used to be, but then I got a mobile telephone that could hook up to the internet. And I can't really go out much these days anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, dougie said: The list total as of today comes to 1,702. Some of you would probably scoff at that and go "errr that's not many". Well when you factor in that I've had a life outside of film fandom that doesn't involve sitting on my arse watching movies day in and day out, that number isn't too bad. But I'm still not satisfied and would like to reach numbers like 3,000 or 5,000 that online cinenuts like to brag. 1700 is about the total number of films I've seen in the last 7-8 years. But I don't necessarily think your number is low. It's probably a lot higher than most 'normal' people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 So I'll probably reach cinephile bragging numbers by the time I'm in my 40s? Assuming I'm alive by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hey, don't diss the 40s! You'll get there. Remember, it's more in quality of what you watch than the quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 9 hours ago, dougie said: In the last year, I've compiled a list of how many individual films I've seen in my lifetime, which includes movies I've seen at the cinema or on video, TV or on the internet. Feature-length theatrical films, TV movies and direct-to-video films qualify, but short films don't, since I can't remember the titles of any that I've seen, and there aren't many anyway. The list total as of today comes to 1,702. Some of you would probably scoff at that and go "errr that's not many". Well when you factor in that I've had a life outside of film fandom that doesn't involve sitting on my arse watching movies day in and day out, that number isn't too bad. But I'm still not satisfied and would like to reach numbers like 3,000 or 5,000 that online cinenuts like to brag. But even if you think that number is low, you don't really know until you've taken the time and effort to count each individual film. Most people couldn't be bothered and instead they make rough guesses that could be way off the ballpark. That sure is low but wasn't it around 900 previously so you are doing well. Wait till you are my age, you will get there. I have long lost count. But movies are life. Johnnyecks what do you think about Creepshow 2. The raft still disturbs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: That sure is low but wasn't it around 900 previously so you are doing well. Wait till you are my age, you will get there. I have long lost count. But movies are life. Johnnyecks what do you think about Creepshow 2. The raft still disturbs me. My first reported number here was about 1,500+. Remember, I grew up pretty much watching the same movies over and over again on tape and DVD. Back then, my parents hogged the Foxtel, so I missed out on a lot of movies. And cinemas are so expensive, I usually only go about five times a year. And last year I only went twice. This year, probably never. I'll just wait for the Foxtel premiere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 What is foxtel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, JoeinAR said: What is Foxtel? Cable TV provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Okay. How much does it cost to see a movie at the theatre? Matinees vary from $6.25 to 8.75. I rarely go at night because it doubles. We have about 70 screens within 30 min. of the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Okay. How much does it cost to see a movie at the theatre? $25 per head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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