Rogue_Leader 2 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 I wonder how "Luke Skywalker" feels about this list.NeilI'll leave you in doubts Luke, who does not like all the changesHow do you feel about the two least liked changes Luke?Those being: 1) Greedo shooting first in ANHand 2) The stupid Jedi Rocks music sequence in ROTJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 You all know that something like that just CAN'T happen in the DVD, if they do that, they won't even be the movies anymore! Lucas will also lose all respect from everyone and how would they shoot all those scenes?he wouldn't shoot those scenes, he would digitize them, or ILM would, will, has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Digitize, big deal, but he'll just crappify the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 I moved to Scotland. I started a degree in Artificial Intelligence.I'm sure many here would love a degree in that score. I'd prefer a degree in something like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Superman. Justin LOL Oh no Justin, I don't think we want to start up the whole argument of how "A.I. sucks" and lacks emotional closure. Speaking of A.I., where is the guy? Is he still wise-cracking away?I don't think A.I. is a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 I wonder how "Luke Skywalker" feels about this list.NeilI'll leave you in doubts Luke, who does not like all the changesHow do you feel about the two least liked changes Luke?Those being: 1) Greedo shooting first in ANHand 2) The stupid Jedi Rocks music sequence in ROTJSince that were changes in the SE i will answer.I would had made Greedo CGI to make him truly shot. It it did not fit well i wouldnt have changed the scene anyway.I would have made the CGI music sequence to fit Lepti Nek, instead of creating new music not by Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 John Williams went to the source, which isn't Ray Bradbury, but billy shake-a-spear. They are not part of the book by JKR.Exactly . The phrase is from Macbeth (Act IV, Scene I) and goes something like this: "By the pricking of my thumbs / Something wicked this way comes"Speaking of A.I., where is the guy? Is he still wise-cracking away?Actually there's an interesting story there. I'm far from the best person to retell it but go and scroll through some old "Off Topic" threads bearing his name to get a taste of what went down.CYPHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I would had made Greedo CGI.You evil...evil man.Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I would have made the CGI music sequence to fit Lepti Nek, instead of creating new music not by Williams.You not so evil...evil man.Neil- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Something wicked this way comes.Shakespeare or Yoda?Who was first?----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 John Williams went to the source, which isn't Ray Bradbury, but billy shake-a-spear. They are not part of the book by JKR.Exactly . The phrase is from Macbeth (Act IV, Scene I) and goes something like this: "By the pricking of my thumbs / Something wicked this way comes"Yup. You can read the entire scene here.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I would had made Greedo CGI... If you look long enough you'll always find one guy who actually likes it. That goes for everything, even urine.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benefactor 3 Posted November 20, 2003 Author Share Posted November 20, 2003 John Williams went to the source, which isn't Ray Bradbury, but billy shake-a-spear. They are not part of the book by JKR.Exactly . The phrase is from Macbeth (Act IV, Scene I) and goes something like this: "By the pricking of my thumbs / Something wicked this way comes"Yup. You can read the entire scene here.- MarcThanks to everybody, I never read Macbeth in ENGLISH and can?t notice this phrase. Now I know. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Sirius' 0 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I think most of the list is perfectly beleivable.Some of the changes (the technical ones, not the new elements and new scenes) are acceptible IMO.Most of them ARE ridiculous, but are also believable because of what we seen from Lucas in the past few years.A too prefer the Original Edition, but I'm not sure whether the 1997 edition or this one would be better. (I hated the new elements and scenes in the Special Edition, but at least these are going to be done technically better in this one, and with connections to the prequels).CYPHER wrote: JoeinAr wrote: John Williams went to the source, which isn't Ray Bradbury, but billy shake-a-spear. They are not part of the book by JKR. Exactly . The phrase is from Macbeth (Act IV, Scene I) and goes something like this: "By the pricking of my thumbs / Something wicked this way comes" Yup. You can read the entire scene here. - MarcYup. Exactly as in http://jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&f...655124a155bf0da Sirius, a bit taken aback by how few people read his posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I knew you had written that, but I couldn't find it as quickly, so I simply typed Macbeth act iv in at Google and posted the first link I could find. No hard feelings, right? - Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Sirius' 0 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Of course not It wasn't my big discovery anyway, since I haven't read Macbeth in English before, I too just read about it somewhere. Actually, I read it after finding out the connection. How well-known is this quote in English regions? (I mean int he US or UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 It wasn't my big discovery anyway, since I haven't read Macbeth in English beforeDid you read it in the original Klingon? Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 It's extremely well known unless you are a complete MTV generation junkie with no idea of the incredible rich history of Literature. I just get so mad with my friends here that don't read. It's ridiculous how lazy people have become. Even Brian, my partner, doesn't read. It baffles me. NO offense to anyone, but I think anyone who doesn't sit and absorb what the world has to offer including something as easily accessible as Literature is an idiot. It's just my own personal grudge I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Aaamen- you preach it brother!nja- whose appreciation for the genious in Macbeth is second only to Othello (but who's comparing, really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Did you see TF.N's article on this? It ended with this:"Again, these are more of a wish list than accurate information. We also wanted to tell you something perhaps even more significant. Episode I: The Phantom Menace is getting a full overhaul as well. We'll leave you with that for now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Yoda in TPM need to be CGI too (looking like Yoda of course ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Yoda in TPM need to be CGI too (looking like Yoda of course )You're turing evil on us again, Luke.-----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benefactor 3 Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 It's extremely well known unless you are a complete MTV generation junkie with no idea of the incredible rich history of Literature. I just get so mad with my friends here that don't read. It's ridiculous how lazy people have become. Did you READ the postings? It says: haven't read Macbeth in ENGLISH before.Did you know that there are other countries with different languages? In different poetic interpretations the phrase "Something Wicked This Way Comes" might sounds VERY differently. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benefactor 3 Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 Yoda in TPM need to be CGI too (looking like Yoda of course )Although I prefer, as many others, a Yoda puppet from Original Trilogy, nevertheless a CGI Yoda in AOTC is somehow better than this Gremlin-like puppet in TPM. I was very embarrassed with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Yoda in TPM need to be CGI too (looking like Yoda of course )Although I prefer, as many others, a Yoda puppet from Original Trilogy, nevertheless a CGI Yoda in AOTC is somehow better than this Gremlin-like puppet in TPM. I was very embarrassed with it.Strange, I was embarrassed with everything except muppet Yoda in TPM.Compared to the other creatures he almost looked divine.Please, don't everybody turn evil on me at once!----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 It is a great animatronic but since it does not look like Yoda, change it by CGI all the way. And sorry for saying that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 It is a great animatronic but since it does not look like Yoda, change it by CGI all the way. And sorry for saying that... :? It's time for the DVD of TESB to come out so I can see with my own eyes how much different Yoda looks.But simply replacing him with CGI is still blasphemy.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 As the list said. Yoda is like ET, enhaced, not substituted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 As the list said. Yoda is like ET, enhaced, not substituted.An enhancement would suggest an improvement, which is something the CGI E.T. was certainly not.There was not one moment when i mistook the CGI E.T. for the puppet E.T.It was not quite as badly done as the CGI Jabba the Hutt in Star wars, but it was bad enough to scar what was once a perfect film.Thank Goodness Spielberg did not completely go Lucas and released the original version as well.Stefancos- who will use the term to go Lucas from now on as a way of saying that someone has lost his mind or has sold his soul to the lowest common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Stefancos- who will use the term to go Lucas from now on as a way of saying that someone has lost his mind or has sold his soul to the lowest common denominator.I like to use it too, that is, if you don't mind. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Transfer $10.00 via www.paypal.com.Email adress stefancos1977@yahoo.comThen you have the right to use it for a 12 month period.Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 I think the TPM puppet actually looks better and more real than the original puppet, heh.Anyway, I didn't have much problem with ET CGI, although I question the value of the changes to the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Maybe he'll change all the guns in star wars into radios, or the radios into guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I think the TPM puppet actually looks better and more real than the original puppet, heh.I'm surprised that you're saying that.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Transfer $10.00 via www.paypal.com.Email adress stefancos1977@yahoo.comThen you have the right to use it for a 12 month period.Stefancos- Ten bucks? What? Is Lucas involved in this deal? It must be!-----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 If Lucas was involved it would have been 25.Stefancos- who hasn't gone Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I like the AotC Yoda,he looks very good in most scenes,but not all of them.The CGI E.T. is a different story,he looks terrible and it ruins the movie:( But at least we have the option not to watch it thart way.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 If Lucas was involved it would have been 25.Stefancos- who hasn't gone Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Yoda was and SHOULD always have been NOT CG. CG Yoda looks fake. He looks like a plastic doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 The puppet yoda was and will forever be the best yoda, Lucas just doesn't think it's perfect. The imperfections in the puppet is what MADE most of yoda's personality i.e. the perky ears, and the pursed lips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Sirius' 0 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I think the CGI Yoda looked ridiculous in AOTC.Puppet Yoda was great in the original trilogy, and I agree with Morn: it was even better in TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Back then in 1980, when I first layed eyes on Yoda, my first reaction was, hell, it's a muppet. There was no way around it. Yoda was not real! I don't know how he did it, but with Frank Oz being a puppet wizard, he only needed a few minutes to change all that and make the whole audience fall in love with this character. Suddenly, Yoda became alive. The truth? It's Frank and his doll that are the very essence of Yoda. The art of the puppeteer is thousands of years old. By using CGI they're changing that essence so drastically that they murdered his soul. And with it they started killing "diversity". Now, all we see is a CGI image against a CGI background. Only people who grew up with a playstation in their crib can dig this sort of nonexistence.Cheers----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 For your information i have not had any videogame console in my life... (and never will)Look, live in your marvelous world, as i will in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 [Old Obi Wan Kenobi] You can't live in a world of nothingness, Luke. [Old Obi Wan Kenobi] ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 For your information i have not had any videogame console in my life... (and never will)Look, live in your marvelous world, as i will in mine.Good god man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 [Old Obi Wan Kenobi] You can't live in a world of nothingness, Luke. [Old Obi Wan Kenobi] Pixel's are great, heh. Nothingness? Movies are nothingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 The world of CGI is full of nothingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Bah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Bah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Hes just joking there. OK OK OK in all fairness CGI has brought us alot of good stuff too. The problem is it is used by lazy filmakers to attempt to create all "Shiny" visuals instead of providing a good story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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