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The whole brother thing is total rumor at this point so I wouldn't put much into that?the only thing that Variety said is that Lucas wasn't happy with the script. The brother rumor comes from someone (who allegedly works for Paramount, not Lucasfilm) who wrote into Dark Horizons.

For all I know, it could be true, but that whole Kevin Costner as Indy's brother thing is OLD. Indy supposedly has a son and was caught up in alien investigations too. Goofy rumors and nothing more.

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What does Lucas know about screenwriting, anyway?

If the "brother" rumor is true, then it seems that it'd be only a matter of emphasis (and of plot content) that concerns Lucas. If it's a matter of the actual dialogue writing, then some eyebrow-raising is in order for those of us disappointed with that element of the SW prequels.

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lets hope.

thats why I didn't direct them to your site Steven, in case this turns out to be rubbish, but since it was in Variety, I thought it was worth posting.

The delay thing is certainly accurate, Joe, but the "brother" part wasn't reported in Variety, that part is a rumor from Dark Horizons. That's what I meant before.

And that picture of Ford is from the National Enquirer. I guess he got schlitzed down in Mexico and someone took photos and sold them. Worthy of their cover a week or two ago!

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For my two cents about Lucas putting the kibosh on things, I know its easy to rip on him for his lack of writing skills, but I think fans should be thankful that if he doesn't think things are perfect that he would rather hold off (or kill the project). I'd rather see the film delayed than have them serve me up some junk in the name of profits. Indiana Jones is too sacred for that (for me and many others I know). If the film isn't worthy of its predecessors, don't bother!

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Look at Ford there, he is such a great actor he really knows how to act drunk, I can't wait for him to do Indiana Jones!

Awalt, the problem is people think he's the last person who should be judging what's good. He should stick to coming up with the plot, which his tale of how the emperor came to power still shows he has some skill at that.

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Finally I'm able to mutliply Morn.

Look at Ford there, he is such a great actor he really knows how to act drunk, I can't wait for him to do Indiana Jones!.

He's such a great actor that everybody believes he's old enough to play Connery's father.

Awalt, the problem is people think he's the last person who should be judging what's good. He should stick to coming up with the plot, which his tale of how the emperor came to power still shows he has some skill at that.

He should stick to coming up with the cash.

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What does Lucas know about screenwriting, anyway?

My sentiments exactly!

What a matter George? Wasn't campy enough for your taste? :D

WELL THIS SUCKS!!!! :P

Now I will have to friggin wait even longer. I thought Indy was FINALLY happening and now Lucas has once again screwed us.

If there is a hell for crappy filmakers I hope Lucas rots in it for all eternity.

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For my two cents about Lucas putting the kibosh on things, I know its easy to rip on him for his lack of writing skills, but I think fans should be thankful that if he doesn't think things are perfect that he would rather hold off (or kill the project). I'd rather see the film delayed than have them serve me up some junk in the name of profits. Indiana Jones is too sacred for that (for me and many others I know). If the film isn't worthy of its predecessors, don't bother!

OH and like Lucas is the person we should be trusting to ensure the quality of a motion picture .......

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! :D

I mean come on buddy! Need I remind you this is the man who HATED the Empire Strikes Back when he was first shown it and then insisted on taking a greater role in ROTJ's production.

Clearly not a man who should be making decisions on what is the best course for a movie.

I wouldn't trust Lucas to ensure good acting, dialogue, and storytelling in a FRIGGIN PORNO!!!

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Anyhoo the possibility of Indy 4 is starting to seem silly. Kevin Costner as Indy's brother that would be great.

I don't agree. I enjoyed the family thing in The Last Crusade, but don't make Family Ties out of Indiana Jones. I want an entirely independent adventure, like Temple of Doom. Geez, a brother!?! Kevin Cóstner??

I do hope there will be another film - although Neil makes a good point when he says the films belong in the 80s. I think however that they could pull it off. It ís Spielberg, after all. I don't think he'll allow Lucas to upgrade Indy with his "improved" (uhum) SFX.

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To all who responded like I'm totally backing George Lucas, trust me, the irony of this isn't lost on me (regarding his writing skills), but I think its rather crazy to get all worked up and attack the man for not being happy with the script when absolutely none of us know what's supposedly wrong with it, let alone what any of its about. Rather than attack Lucas for something we're all in the dark about (and hey, I agree the man's writing skills are very lacking) I think we should appreciate that he has enough talent to say when something isn't right with the script. You don't hear Spielberg and Ford debating his choice in public, and I'm sure they all have equal weight in this process.

It just seems silly to attack Lucas (despite his past cinematic crimes) for something none of us know a whit about. Perhaps its something that we'd all agree was a problem if we knew about it (and would blame Lucas for if it did get released).

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Its kind of funny when people get mad at Lucas for telling his own stories the way he wants to, like he's some sort of fan who gets carried away writing bad fan fiction. He's the source of the stuff! Not some offshoot like the crappy novels comic books and videogames. Doesn't matter if you don't like it because most people do and why should he, you or anyone care.

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I know. That's why I've come to accept the prequels the way they are. They may not be what they could or should have been, quality wise, but they are what the creator of the series came up with, and I'll have to live with it. In the end, RotJ got accepted to the "Trilogy of Trilogies", and I really think that movie does not live up to the premise of the original and its first sequel, but what are you gonna do?

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I know. That's why I've come to accept the prequels the way they are. They may not be what they could or should have been, quality wise, but they are what the creator of the series came up with, and I'll have to live with it. In the end, RotJ got accepted to the "Trilogy of Trilogies", and I really think that movie does not live up to the premise of the original and its first sequel, but what are you gonna do?

I think it's natural for people to express their disappointment at what might have been, given their enjoyment of (most of) the original trilogy. And what often follows from this disappointment is speculation as to what happened that caused it to be less than their expectations: rusty writing and directing, perhaps more effort invested in special effects than in creating psychologically engaging characters, maybe too many yes-men at Lucasfilm.

I think it's akin to panning Beethoven's debuts of his pieces in his more advanced years. His deafness having taken its toll, he could no longer perform with acceptable musicality -- his execution was way off, even if the composition itself was magnificent. Similarly, I can speak with admiration about the stimulating premise underpinning the prequel trilogy -- the rise and fall of a young, preternaturally gifted Jedi knight as galactic order crumbles away. I can attest to the continuing brilliance of Lucas's visual imagination (with, of course, the aid of conceptual artists) and his passion for technological innovation. But I can question the execution of his vision. Just as Beethoven's position as composer doesn't exempt him from criticism, neither does Lucas's position as filmmaker.

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I know. That's why I've come to accept the prequels the way they are. They may not be what they could or should have been, quality wise, but they are what the creator of the series came up with, and I'll have to live with it. In the end, RotJ got accepted to the "Trilogy of Trilogies", and I really think that movie does not live up to the premise of the original and its first sequel, but what are you gonna do?

I think it's natural for people to express their disappointment at what might have been, given their enjoyment of (most of) the original trilogy. And what often follows from this disappointment is speculation as to what happened that caused it to be less than their expectations: rusty writing and directing, perhaps more effort invested in special effects than in creating psychologically engaging characters, maybe too many yes-men at Lucasfilm.

I think it's akin to panning Beethoven's debuts of his pieces in his more advanced years. His deafness having taken its toll, he could no longer perform with acceptable musicality -- his execution was way off, even if the composition itself was magnificent. Similarly, I can speak with admiration about the stimulating premise underpinning the prequel trilogy -- the rise and fall of a young, preternaturally gifted Jedi knight as galactic order crumbles away. I can attest to the continuing brilliance of Lucas's visual imagination (with, of course, the aid of conceptual artists) and his passion for technological innovation. But I can question the execution of his vision. Just as Beethoven's position as composer doesn't exempt him from criticism, neither does Lucas's position as filmmaker.

I have no problem with people critiquing the movies he makes, but I just think it is funny that people dismiss the movies as if they aren't the "real" backstory to Star Wars. And similarly, I see people getting ready to say that whatever Lucas comes up with and approves for the Indy IV script will not be a "real" Indy adventure if it is not to their liking. When people speculate what went wrong with a film that doesn't live up to their standards, they often have an entirely different storyline in their heads beforehand. With these films that are so old, we forget that each one defied expectations that were set by the one that came before. With both Star Wars and Indy this was true. Of course we can now compartmentalize those trilogies into a certain part of the past in our brain, in one Indy file that contains all the expectations from all 3 movies combined - forgetting how blatantly different they all are from each other.

The problem is that when Lucas makes a sequel or prequel so much later than the one before (as in the case of Prequels or Indy4) then those expectations crystalize in fans brains and it is much harder to both surprise and satisfy them. The only people who don't seem to mind are kids and people who don't have as much invested as the tried and true fans of the 70's-80's works.

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I know. That's why I've come to accept the prequels the way they are. They may not be what they could or should have been, quality wise, but they are what the creator of the series came up with, and I'll have to live with it. In the end, RotJ got accepted to the "Trilogy of Trilogies", and I really think that movie does not live up to the premise of the original and its first sequel, but what are you gonna do?

I think it's natural for people to express their disappointment at what might have been, given their enjoyment of (most of) the original trilogy. And what often follows from this disappointment is speculation as to what happened that caused it to be less than their expectations: rusty writing and directing, perhaps more effort invested in special effects than in creating psychologically engaging characters, maybe too many yes-men at Lucasfilm.

I think it's akin to panning Beethoven's debuts of his pieces in his more advanced years. His deafness having taken its toll, he could no longer perform with acceptable musicality -- his execution was way off, even if the composition itself was magnificent. Similarly, I can speak with admiration about the stimulating premise underpinning the prequel trilogy -- the rise and fall of a young, preternaturally gifted Jedi knight as galactic order crumbles away. I can attest to the continuing brilliance of Lucas's visual imagination (with, of course, the aid of conceptual artists) and his passion for technological innovation. But I can question the execution of his vision. Just as Beethoven's position as composer doesn't exempt him from criticism, neither does Lucas's position as filmmaker.

Thank you! Thank you! That's exactly how I feel. You just said it a lot better. There's interesting ideas and concepts there, they're just not all executed well. Either way, I'm still looking forward to Ep. III.

- Marc, ;)

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I hope they kill this project. Leave the Indy's behind in the 80's. It'll be Star Wars all over again. Gleefull fans with high expectations will tear this thing to shreds, because it didn't live up to what they wanted it to be. Sigh.

- Marc

Dammit man dont do that! :)

This is like one of the FEW things I have to look forward to in the future of cinema.

Sure with Lucas involved there might be a high probability it wont be that great, but with Spielberg directing and Lucas NOT writing I have faith this will turn out pretty good.

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I think we should appreciate that he has enough talent to say when something isn't right with the script.

That remains to be seen, he did maybe 20 years ago. I don't trust him at all to have a positive influence on the script.

Anyway, why shouldn't people be upset if he's destroying something that's become bigger than just his movie, but a cult movie and a cultural icon.

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People tend to forget that Lucas is the man who created Indiana Jones, and that he created the stories (and worked on the scripts) for the original three films, even after he exhibited signs of decline (as some people would point out) with "Jedi".

And to think that the film, if still made, could tank solely because of Lucas is ludicrous. I'm obviously a little bit partial to the works of Steven Spielberg, but you people are just not being honest in your blind, I dont know...rage? to rip on Lucas here. Spielberg's had his share of horrible misteps when it comes to narrative and execution: "1941," "Kick the Can," "Always," "Hook," and some would gladly say "A.I.". And don't tell me he didn't write the majority of those films, as he surely had as much input on all of their scripts as Lucas does on Indy 4.

Point again that it seems is lost on some folks here is that sure, Lucas may jack this up, but it astounds me that people put blame on this man already (and defend their argument as if Spielberg will have to save the project from his best friend and producer's meddling) when, again, none of us know what the hell is going on behind the scenes or what the alleged problem(s) with the script is (are).

Some of you have amazing psychic ablities, great insight into the project itself or nothing better to do with your time than complain about something none of us truly know absolutely nothing about.

I thought the "Lucas raped my childhood memories" whining was bad enough about the prequel trilogy, but to complain about Lucas tearing down cultural icons for a film that isn't even made yet is absolutely insane.

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but I'm just baffeled by these reactions.

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THe brother thing has to be false. We did know about indy's chilhood in Last Crusade and later in the Chronicles both BY Lucas (we are not speaking about 'expanded universe' here) and well Indy mother died before last crusade, and His father never married, so unless he has an illegitimate child over there.... it is nonsense.

Now another matter is if they wanted to include a character in the novels, Jack Shannon, that is Indy's best friend since high school, but then, it is expanded universe...

Luke, who already knows that Indy IV will suck for the same reasons than the prequels. Regardless of Lucas involvenment.

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People tend to forget that Lucas is the man who created Indiana Jones, and that he created the stories (and worked on the scripts) for the original three films, even after he exhibited signs of decline (as some people would point out) with "Jedi".

And to think that the film, if still made, could tank solely because of Lucas is ludicrous. I'm obviously a little bit partial to the works of Steven Spielberg, but you people are just not being honest in your blind, I dont know...rage? to rip on Lucas here. Spielberg's had his share of horrible misteps when it comes to narrative and execution: "1941," "Kick the Can," "Always," "Hook," and some would gladly say "A.I.". And don't tell me he didn't write the majority of those films, as he surely had as much input on all of their scripts as Lucas does on Indy 4.

Point again that it seems is lost on some folks here is that sure, Lucas may jack this up, but it astounds me that people put blame on this man already (and defend their argument as if Spielberg will have to save the project from his best friend and producer's meddling) when, again, none of us know what the hell is going on behind the scenes or what the alleged problem(s) with the script is (are).

Some of you have amazing psychic ablities, great insight into the project itself or nothing better to do with your time than complain about something none of us truly know absolutely nothing about.

I thought the "Lucas raped my childhood memories" whining was bad enough about the prequel trilogy, but to complain about Lucas tearing down cultural icons for a film that isn't even made yet is absolutely insane.

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but I'm just baffeled by these reactions.

Listen to Steve, you all. He's a wise man.

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I thought the "Lucas raped my childhood memories" whining was bad enough about the prequel trilogy, but to complain about Lucas tearing down cultural icons for a film that isn't even made yet is absolutely insane.

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Yeah,I'm tired of it too,I mean now that we don't have JW scores to talk about,most threads turn into a sub-topic of Lucas bashing.Rogue Leader and a few others are beginning to sound like a broken record.Anyhow without Spielberg and yes,Lucas,we wouldn't have much new JW scores to talk about.

K.M.Who likes the prequels for what they are

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Yeah,I'm tired of it too,I mean now that we don't have JW scores to talk about,most threads turn into a sub-topic of Lucas bashing.Rogue Leader and a few others are beginning to sound like a broken record.Anyhow without Spielberg and yes,Lucas,we wouldn't have much new JW scores to talk about.  

K.M.Who likes the prequels for what they are

That's because you don't have to go through the same process of decline as we do. The Phantom Menace was your introduction to the Star Wars movies. It opened up a new world for you. Then you discovered on the net about the first trilogy. You decided to check them out. You thought that the first one was bloody primitive and a faint echo of the great Battlestar Gallactica TV series. In your opinion the second one was slightly better but you had complaints about the absence of alien creatures. You felt a bit deceived. In fact, here is what you said and I quote, "The whole story could have taken place on Earth, for all I care! Please, next time, show me Star Wars!". Guess what, Mark? You got what you wanted. Return of the Jedi is your favorite Episode. According to you it was almost perfect! All the ingredients were there. "Now this is science fiction!", you said. Remember? No? Well, I sure do.

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And to think that the film, if still made, could tank solely because of Lucas is ludicrous

Who said that? All we say is that Lucas is not qualified to judge and reject a script any more.

Spielberg's had his share of horrible misteps when it comes to narrative and execution

He's had plenty of successes opposit those to show he still has it though.

Some of you have amazing psychic ablities, great insight into the project itself or nothing better to do with your time than complain about something none of us truly know absolutely nothing about.

Hey listen, when you hear about Lucas, the guy who's done nothing but shit recently reject a script by someone very talented like Frank Darabont, don't be outraged if people are very cynical.

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People tend to forget that Lucas is the man who created Indiana Jones, and that he created the stories (and worked on the scripts) for the original three films, even after he exhibited signs of decline (as some people would point out) with "Jedi".

Lucas created Indy?

BIG DEAL! What is the Indiana Jones character at his core but another Alan Quatermain. He basically ripped off that character to create Indy.

Folks Lucas didn't REALLY create Indiana Jones.

Harrison Ford CREATED INDIANA JONES and to a lesser extent Steven Spielberg.

Without those two guys Indiana Jones would've just been a derivative adventurer with a cool name. Ford gave Indy his trademark personality and manner. Spielberg built the legend of the Indy character.

As for everyone putting blame on Lucas ....... well I point you towards his track record. The man's performance speaks for itself the guy has been F^&*ING up movies left and right. So if this movie is gonna fail chances are it will be because of him.

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I thought the "Lucas raped my childhood memories" whining was bad enough about the prequel trilogy, but to complain about Lucas tearing down cultural icons for a film that isn't even made yet is absolutely insane.

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Yeah,I'm tired of it too,I mean now that we don't have JW scores to talk about,most threads turn into a sub-topic of Lucas bashing.Rogue Leader and a few others are beginning to sound like a broken record.Anyhow without Spielberg and yes,Lucas,we wouldn't have much new JW scores to talk about.

K.M.Who likes the prequels for what they are

Not all threads have me and other bashing Lucas just those having to do with SW. The problem is thats half of what we discuss here. ;)

Perhaps I take it to an extreme and perhaps my comments can be derivative but I would happily change my tune if I saw Lucas do something I considered positive. Problem is I have not seen anything in some time. The last positive action by Lucas was finally releasing Indy on DVD and even that was long overdue!

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Yeah,I'm tired of it too,I mean now that we don't have JW scores to talk about,most threads turn into a sub-topic of Lucas bashing.Rogue Leader and a few others are beginning to sound like a broken record.Anyhow without Spielberg and yes,Lucas,we wouldn't have much new JW scores to talk about.  

K.M.Who likes the prequels for what they are

That's because you don't have to go through the same process of decline as we do. The Phantom Menace was your introduction to the Star Wars movies. It opened up a new world for you. Then you discovered on the net about the first trilogy. You decided to check them out. You thought that the first one was bloody primitive and a faint echo of the great Battlestar Gallactica TV series. In your opinion the second one was slightly better but you had complaints about the absence of alien creatures. You felt a bit deceived. In fact, here is what you said and I quote, "The whole story could have taken place on Earth, for all I care! Please, next time, show me Star Wars!". Guess what, Mark? You got what you wanted. Return of the Jedi is your favorite Episode. According to you it was almost perfect! All the ingredients were there. "Now this is science fiction!", you said. Remember? No? Well, I sure do.

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Yes,well i saw Star Wars in the cinema in 1977,then I saw Empire about 10 times in 1980,then Jedi a few times in 1983.And I still liked all the TPM hoopla in 1999,and saw the movie 6 or 7 times too.And AotC ain't a great movie,but it managed to cheer me up through hard times,and I saw the IMAX version a few times which was really cool.

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