Josh500 1,615 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 I'm currently listening to this, and I'm moved to tears. Up until now I've been mostly listening to HTTF when I put on the Saving Private Ryan album, but the first few minutes of OB is really amazing to say the least. I can't put it into words. So exhilarating, soothing, almost heavenly. I guess this is one of those pieces you have to listen to a couple of times before you really start appreciating it. Also, that clarinet solo somewhere halfway through (you know!) is fantastic. Another JW masterpiece... I guess I'll be listening to this for the next couple of days. (Or weeks.)What are your thoughts on Omaha Beach??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 It's moving my bowels.Actually it's one of the first few tracks of the CD, so I can listen to it without having been bored to death by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 Stefan, are you PMSing? Or do you generally feel that way about SPR??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 If you're moved by this, James Horners 'Courage Under Fire' will shatter your heart. It's almost the same piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 It's a nice cue that kinda wanders in the middle but doesn't bring me to tears. The scenes that go with the music are different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 I generally feel that the score to SPR (not the Hymn) is far to one-noted. Every track is more or less the same, one a little bit more melancholy, one a little bit more brooding, but after a while I just get horribly bored with it and turn it of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 Well, that's the way I felt AT FIRST too, but after listening to it--I don't know--ten, fifteen times, I began to feel differently about it. This piece is actually more profound that you might think at first listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 The film could have probably used even less music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 It's a nice cue that kinda wanders in the middle but doesn't bring me to tears. The scenes that go with the music are different story.True, combined with the film the music works.This might be one instance were the score is saved by the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 SPR is one JW score that doesn't do it for me in general ,but that is one of the better tracks.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 The theme in there sounds very similar to one of Zimmer's Lion King themes, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 This is one of JW's underrated gems. The orchestration is very narrow and you can feel the agony.Overall the soundtrack is awesome as is the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 That it is. I rarely listen to the CD, but it always gets to me in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 SPR is a very polarizing score for the JWfandom. I think it's something that either affects you, or it doesn't, in terms of the album listing experience. Simple as that. For me, I didn't need repeat listens to get into the score. I understood it immediately, and felt compelled to keep listening. It's a haunting CD, and I believe the main theme is one of his most beautiful, and one of his best in general. It's slow, but continually moving up and down, and, more importantly, forward. There's a drive to the theme, despite it's simplicity, and I love it.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 its one of John's worst efforts. typical of his spielberg connection over the last 10 years, mostly junka few notable exceptions, TLW, CMIYC, and WOTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I think the cue 'Finding Private Ryan' is one of my favorites. It adds hope, and it's a damn shame that the machine gun scene had to follow this, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Omaha Beach is indeed one of the most touching pieces on the SPR album. It took a long time for me to start appreciating this score but now I love it. I think it is a cohesive and compelling listening experience. Another moving track is the Last Battle that has a true feeling of closure and finale without it being bombastic. Those final trumpet and horn solos always bring a tear to my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Actually, this thread is supposed to be about Omaha Beach only. I have to admit SPR the album as a whole isn't his best... or is it? I have really no idea because I cannot remember ever having listened to the rest of the CD. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Yes we know that ment Omaha Beach only but SPR album deserves some praise.You should listen to it also through , it will give you a very relaxed and peaceful compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Morlock, where is the Lion King connection? I'm very curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 You should listen to it also through , it will give you a very relaxed and peaceful compassion.Believe me, I have tried. But everytime I make it through the entire CD, (which is not often) I don't have any desire to listen to it for atleast 7 months.But the Dutch Memorial Day is coming up in a few days, so Hymn For The Falling will be played this week for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 SPR is a very polarizing score for the JWfandom. I think it's something that either affects you, or it doesn't, in terms of the album listing experience. Simple as that. For me, I didn't need repeat listens to get into the score. I understood it immediately, and felt compelled to keep listening. It's a haunting CD, and I believe the main theme is one of his most beautiful, and one of his best in general. It's slow, but continually moving up and down, and, more importantly, forward. There's a drive to the theme, despite it's simplicity, and I love it.TimOmaha Beach is indeed one of the most touching pieces on the SPR album. It took a long time for me to start appreciating this score but now I love it. I think it is a cohesive and compelling listening experience.I totally agree with you two!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 It took a long time for me to start appreciating this score but now I love itI totally agree with youBut .. you...didn't like the score!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 "Hymn to the Fallen" is one of the best JW pieces of the last ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgraves 0 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 SPR and Schindler's are both so heart-breakingly beautiful I can't listen to them for very long without getting both inspired and truly sad. Like good wine, it seems these scores need a more sophisticated musical pallette to be fully appreciated. I think Williams' more "delicate" scores are overlooked by folks wanting the big payoff immediately (Jurassic Park, Superman, Radiers, etc) with in-your-face themes and action music. The music on SPF is called "underscore," something Williams doesn't compose often (usually going the big "Hi, I'm a theme!" route).SPR has some of the most haunting, beautiful, and best-orchestrated underscore...if you listen to it. The cues do NOT all sound the same (like Williams would say, "Hmmm, I don't really have anything important to say here - I'll just repeat myself over and over again for the entire score."). You just need an ear ti descerne the differences.For me, toss it in the same pile as Schindler's List, Angela's Ashes, and Stanley's Iris (sorry, had to keep up the 'posessive name/noun' pattern). That is, some of the best dramatic underscore Williams has written.And if anyone is insulted by my insinuation of a needing a more sophisticated musical pallette, my discomfiture is only tempered by the temerity of my youth.Jason(Btw, I attended a 'patriotic' symphony concert with Copland, Strauss, Gershwin, etc. Hymn to the Fallen was the piece they chose to close the concert, with a full 70 piece choir and an extra 15 musicians (mostly in the brass). Needless to say, it brought tears to my eyes and gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. Indeed one of Williams most powerful pieces.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Saving Private Ryan is on TV right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 At precisely 4.58 into this beautiful cue we have another perfect example of Williams' master craftmanship when the score is coupled with the film - it leaved a lump in my throat everytime:The mother is at the kitchen sink and we see a reflection of the car containing army officials and priest on their way to inform Mrs. Ryan of the terrible news (unbeknownst to her). She looks up once then looks down, Williams then employs a tender horn solo as if to cry from the heart of Mrs. Ryan as she now suddenly looks up again and realises the purpose of the car's visit. The camera then slowly pans left accompanied by soft woodwinds.Simply stunning piece of scoring that never ceases to move me. The Brass writing and indeed playing is second to none throughout the score so I have to admit it disappoints me that many members don't appreciate this work, but I understand it's an acquired taste.- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I'm currently listening to this, and I'm moved to tears. Up until now I've been mostly listening to HTTF when I put on the Saving Private Ryan album, but the first few minutes of OB is really amazing to say the least. I can't put it into words. So exhilarating, soothing, almost heavenly. I guess this is one of those pieces you have to listen to a couple of times before you really start appreciating it. Also, that clarinet solo somewhere halfway through (you know!) is fantastic. Another JW masterpiece... I guess I'll be listening to this for the next couple of days. (Or weeks.)What are your thoughts on Omaha Beach???It took me a long time to discover it but I find it a very warm score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 it was a score i listened to a lot after a breakup some time back. but apart from that, i dont find myself able to listen to it much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Omaha Beach and Revisiting Normandy are very nice. After that, I generally loose interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 At precisely 4.58 into this beautiful cue we have another perfect example of Williams' master craftmanship when the score is coupled with the film - it leaved a lump in my throat everytime:The mother is at the kitchen sink and we see a reflection of the car containing army officials and priest on their way to inform Mrs. Ryan of the terrible news (unbeknownst to her). She looks up once then looks down, Williams then employs a tender horn solo as if to cry from the heart of Mrs. Ryan as she now suddenly looks up again and realises the purpose of the car's visit. The camera then slowly pans left accompanied by soft woodwinds.Simply stunning piece of scoring that never ceases to move me. The Brass writing and indeed playing is second to none throughout the score so I have to admit it disappoints me that many members don't appreciate this work, but I understand it's an acquired taste.- Tim.I totally agree with you there, Tim, especially what you said about that one scene. Except I don't think it's a horn solo--that's a clarinet, isn't it, coupled with oboe or English horn or something like that. Yeah, so subtle, but definitely one of the highlights of this masterful score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 At precisely 4.58 into this beautiful cue we have another perfect example of Williams' master craftmanship when the score is coupled with the film - it leaved a lump in my throat everytime:The mother is at the kitchen sink and we see a reflection of the car containing army officials and priest on their way to inform Mrs. Ryan of the terrible news (unbeknownst to her). She looks up once then looks down, Williams then employs a tender horn solo as if to cry from the heart of Mrs. Ryan as she now suddenly looks up again and realises the purpose of the car's visit. The camera then slowly pans left accompanied by soft woodwinds.Simply stunning piece of scoring that never ceases to move me. The Brass writing and indeed playing is second to none throughout the score so I have to admit it disappoints me that many members don't appreciate this work, but I understand it's an acquired taste.- Tim.I totally agree with you there, Tim, especially what you said about that one scene. Except I don't think it's a horn solo--that's a clarinet, isn't it, coupled with oboe or English horn or something like that. Yeah, so subtle, but definitely one of the highlights of this masterful score.Pretty certain it is a French horn Josh, unless my ears are deceiving me suddenly!?!- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Always trust a guy named 'Tim'. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 At precisely 4.58 into this beautiful cue we have another perfect example of Williams' master craftmanship when the score is coupled with the film - it leaved a lump in my throat everytime:The mother is at the kitchen sink and we see a reflection of the car containing army officials and priest on their way to inform Mrs. Ryan of the terrible news (unbeknownst to her). She looks up once then looks down, Williams then employs a tender horn solo as if to cry from the heart of Mrs. Ryan as she now suddenly looks up again and realises the purpose of the car's visit. The camera then slowly pans left accompanied by soft woodwinds.Simply stunning piece of scoring that never ceases to move me. The Brass writing and indeed playing is second to none throughout the score so I have to admit it disappoints me that many members don't appreciate this work, but I understand it's an acquired taste.- Tim.I totally agree with you there, Tim, especially what you said about that one scene. Except I don't think it's a horn solo--that's a clarinet, isn't it, coupled with oboe or English horn or something like that. Yeah, so subtle, but definitely one of the highlights of this masterful score.Pretty certain it is a French horn Josh, unless my ears are deceiving me suddenly!?!- Tim.Yep, listened to it again... and you're right. That's a French horn! I thought you were talking about the clarinet solo which comes soon thereafter when Mrs. Ryan slowly moves to the door. Cause that's the part I especially like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 If I had to ditch one CD of John Williams, I would be Saving Private Ryan. Alex - listening to SPR right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I bet KM said that when he listened to The Accidental Tourist.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 KM? All the more proof that it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 If I had to ditch one CD of John Williams, I would be Saving Private Ryan. Alex - listening to SPR right nowI would too, anyone want my copy of SPR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Alex and JoeinAr in agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 Alex and JoeinAr in agreement?Hell, yeah, that's better than any JW score!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 No, it is the beginning, of the ending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 It is! In fact, we're drinking beer together right now! We can't stop laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Does this mean Alex is Renovia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 actually I am Alex, the phantom zone version of Alex,Titanic sucks, Blade Runner is awesome, and Batman Begins is the bestahhh beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 You're hurting my feelings, Joe. I was never a fan of Batman Begins. I must conclude that you don't really know me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I thought you liked it, you at least argued in favor of it for the lack of cgi, oh well, I don't care much for it, its ok, but only ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 If I had to ditch one CD of John Williams, I would be Saving Private Ryan. Alex - listening to SPR right nowI would too, anyone want my copy of SPR?Come on guys, it's not that bad - there are far inferior scores! Even if you don't like the film either, you can't deny it works beautifully with it at least?- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 How can you not like the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 How can you not like the film?I meant even if Joe & Alex don't like the film they must at least appreciate the score with the film as a fine work.I certainly don't rate it as a brilliant film but it has great moments.- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I like SPR, the film, mainly for the two war scenes. Amazing directing. The scenes in between were ... ok.I sorta like Batman Begins too but I had problems with the confusing fights. I know that this was intentional but I couldn't see what was going on and so I became distracted. I also didn't like Gordon, who acted as a goofy sidekick when he has to drive the batmobile. It was meant as funny but I'm tired of this type of humor. It's been done to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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