#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Again, not everyone is as retentive as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 They're still making these? And people are paying to see them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Yes and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 They pull in insane amounts of money http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=piratesofthecaribbean.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I found them unwatchable after the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 The first one was really good, the second one was a lot less interesting but had a few good parts (the wheel fight, etc). The third was was shit. Never saw the fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Same here, except switch the thoughts on 1 with 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 The amount of money these films make, plus the pay check Johnny Depp earns, they'll probably be making these movies forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I agree with Stefan. Except I did technically see 4; we did it as a "movie night" film meaning we had a bunch of friends over and we all drank the whole time. Since the movie was so dumb a lot was drank. I don't remember much about it except there was some kind of sword fight with Penelope Cruz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 The third is not shit, unless you mean it's like a massive shit that you actually enjoy struggling to hold, then it feels great pushing out, then you leave the bathroom and come back five minutes later and you're still impressed that stench came out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 All four of them have weaknesses, but I don't think any of them are shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Even after all these years the action climax in this is so huge that many modern epics feel modest in comparison. How long is it anyway? An hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Oh absolutely. 45 minutes to an hour sounds about right, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Christ! That's Michael Bay's Transformers levels of action BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I've heard a lot of prominent critics completely trash the third one and I have to disagree. Storywise, it's a a bit of a mess, with far too much going on to keep track, but as as a pure action spectacle, I think it's harmless fun. Unfortunately, as long as they keep making hundreds of millions at the BO, and Depp receives the sort of money he's rumoured to get, they will just keep making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Depp's asking price is "only" $20 million per film. Not as much compared to some other actors/franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Depp apparently earned $55 million for POTC4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 He did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I can believe that. $20 million feels low given that some A-listers were getting that sort of money 15 years ago. Mel Gibson got $25 million for The Patriot. The problem with these sorts of fees is that I guess the actor feels that the success of the film (or its appeal) is riding entirely on them, and that the studio wouldn't get anything like the same revenue if a lesser known actor were cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Well it's true. Can't remember the actual number, but Chris Tucker turned down Rush Hour 3 until they offered him an exorbant amount of money, knowing the movie would fail without him. Same applies to RDJ with Iron Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 8 hours ago, Richard Penna said: The problem with these sorts of fees is that I guess the actor feels that the success of the film (or its appeal) is riding entirely on them, and that the studio wouldn't get anything like the same revenue if a lesser known actor were castt And they would be right, that's why these amounts are justified. Iron Man 3 is a very average movie that made over a billion because of RDJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Kinda hoping Zimmer doesn't return for this film. Would love it if someone like Lorne Balfe was given a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 McCartney is playing Sparrow's mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 6 hours ago, alextrombone94 said: Kinda hoping Zimmer doesn't return for this film. Would love it if someone like Lorne Balfe was given a go I think it was reported that Geoff Zanelli would be doing this one. I find most of his stuff a little bit bland, but it's better than another score by a paycheck-driven Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Film Music Reporter reported in September 2014 Zanelli was doing it, but later deleted the article http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Joshamee_Gibbs/Geoff_Zanelli_Returns_to_the_Caribbean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 55 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I think it was reported that Geoff Zanelli would be doing this one. I find most of his stuff a little bit bland, but it's better than another score by a paycheck-driven Zimmer. He's the one who did the William Tell arrangement for Lone Ranger, so I wouldn't mind him doing a full POTC score. In fact I'm pretty sure he's contributed a lot of additional music for the series already, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 On his website he makes a big deal out of having contributed a lot of additional music to the series. My main wish is to get a composer on board who's interested in the movie. Wouldn't that be a novelty? A Pirates score composed by one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Whether its Zimmer or a cog in his factory who takes the lead, there's absolutely no way the score will be completely composed by one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hence it needs to stay away from his factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm with you. I wish that were even remotely possible . Joe Kraemer's not doing Jack Reacher 2 so I nominate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'd be game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I'm with you. I wish that were even remotely possible . I see what you did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Unintended puns are the only honorable puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Why does it matter if it's composed by one person or not? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Really it doesn't matter. It's not like all the instruments are played by one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 It would matter if the different composers weren't getting a homogeneous sound. Fortunately (?), the Zimmer sound is relatively easy to emulate if you're a decent composer with the right gear and the right background. Personally, I just like to know who wrote what I'm listening to. In my perfect world, Zimmer-style collaborative scores would always be released with detailed descriptions of who wrote what, just to satisfy my weird obsession - even though in many cases, I'm guessing you'd end up with something like, "Written by Geoff Zanelli, under the creative supervision of Hans Zimmer, based on themes by Klaus Badelt and Hans Zimmer." Perhaps it's too much to ask, but then again, FSM/LLL/Intrada-style releases have tended to be quite detailed in crediting composers for their contributions on a track-by-track basis. Regardless, I lost faith in this series after the first film and stopped watching after the third, so I doubt this next one will be of interest to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 A lot of releases have these breakdowns you ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The age-old war! As old as time itself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Its so silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 No! Zimmer's a hack. Can't stand his buddy Nolan either. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hans isn't a single person! He's a concept. An idea and an ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 10 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Why does it matter if it's composed by one person or not? We've been through this many times, and will never agree. After a diet of late 90s scores by Goldsmith/JNH/Williams/Newman (all of which I'm fairly sure were solo efforts), I was astonished to discover how many composers were involved with some of Zimmer's scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 So how does that change whether the score is effective or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Oh stop being so passive-aggressive. Knowing no musical theory whatsoever, it comes down to the principle of preferring one composer. I don't understand why you have such a problem with this approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 9 hours ago, Richard Penna said: We've been through this many times, and will never agree. After a diet of late 90s scores by Goldsmith/JNH/Williams/Newman (all of which I'm fairly sure were solo efforts), I was astonished to discover how many composers were involved with some of Zimmer's scores. It's apples versus oranges. JW, Jerry, Newman etc etc are classically trained composers. Zimmer comes from a pop music background. The White Album wasn't done by a single artist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 There's a very clear distinction between a band and a composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Why would you judge Zimmer as a classically trained composer when he's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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