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[Romão 2,274]

11 hours ago, Evil-Lyn said:

Great name!

 

In "the comics", he's a failed comedian or something and his wife dies. The stories Heath Ledger told about getting the scars were better than that garbage.

 

Of course, all versions are superior to the Jared Leto version.

 

That was only in the Killing Joke, and that is not even cannon

[mstrox 6,651]

The Joker has a whole bunch of different origin stories in the comics now. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Is anything really canon when there are so many different versions?

[Romão 2,274]

Well, I haven't really kept up with the whole rebirth thing, so I don't where things stand right now.

[mstrox 6,651]

43 minutes ago, Evil-Lyn said:

Is anything really canon when there are so many different versions?

 

Nope - things are constantly in flux in comics universes.  A fresh slate brings in new readers, so what once was a huge event (Crisis on Two Earths) is now a frequent continuity reboot or realignment (Flashpoint, New 52, Rebirth, etc etc etc).

 

I don't mind at all.  Honestly, the whole idea of "canon" drives me nuts.  Tell me a good story.  Comics that lean heavy on continuity/canon, and especially the major "Event Series" that Marvel and DC seem to do yearly now are such a drag.  Too many characters and you don't get the full story unless you spend a hundred dollars a week on comics.

[Romão 2,274]

Indeed. The best Batman stories always were the self contained ones anyway. By far

[Jay 37,364]

Warner Bros. announces a second Joker movie with Jared Leto and Margot Robbie

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Are they trying to do their best to confuse the average moviegoers? Because chances are they're going to succeed.

[Jay 37,364]

About that:

 

The Current State of DC Superhero Movies

 

 

That is... a LOT of movies in the works.

[mstrox 6,651]

LOOK OUT - THE PEDANT IS HERE!

 

Warner Bros did not announce either of these things.  Deadline's source re: Joker Origin is "I hear" and THR's Joker/Harley source is "sources say."

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

2 hours ago, mstrox said:

LOOK OUT - THE PEDANT IS HERE!

 

Warner Bros did not announce either of these things.  Deadline's source re: Joker Origin is "I hear" and THR's Joker/Harley source is "sources say."

 

They are not CNN. They are by and large credible sources and most things they report on come to be true or are later confirmed as true. Both have deep connections within the industry.

 

The film trades industry is not hard to figure out - just 3 or 4 major outlets pretty much for the entire industry. The other 3 besides these are Variety, Screen and to a lesser extent The Wrap and that's pretty much it. So scoops come often and are often true.

[mstrox 6,651]

Correct - they are strong rumors, but they are not confirmed.  This is not, as AV Club headlined,

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Warner Bros. announces a second Joker movie with Jared Leto and Margot Robbie

 

[Jay 37,364]

Matt Reeves says his The Batman won't be part of DC's "extended universe"

[BloodBoal 7,538]

What the...?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Multi-cinematic-universes! Brilliant!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

Multi-cinematic-universes!

 

So... DC is making... MCUs?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I thought Batman v Superman took place in the same universe as the Christopher Nolan films, only with a different actor playing Batman like when they did Batman Forever. Wayne Manor and the Batmobile looked the same. It sounded like Jared Leto was trying to imitate Heath Ledger.

[A24 4,333]

Hear it from a pro!

 

James Cameron: Wonder Woman is a step backwards for female heroes!

 

 

Read all about it:

 

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/james-cameron-calls-wonder-woman-‘step-backwards’-for-female-heroes

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He does have a point. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Sarah Connor is meant to be real person.  Wonder Woman is meant to be a symbol.  It's like complaining that Superman isn't complicated enough (and all the attempts at giving these purely symbolic, traditional superheroes dimension tend to fail).

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I can't really agree with you at all there. Just because they're funny book characters doesn't mean they can't be complicated. They complicated Superman just by dropping him into our nuthouse of a real world today. Sarah Connor was a loon. While Cyberdyne was obviously guilty as fuck of dooming the world, what the hell were they supposed to do with this futuristic technology they acquired? They had an opportunity to advance our civilization and they took it. On the other hand, Sarah Connor thought love and really creating something was fucking some guy she had met the night before. Typical woman.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I don't think Sarah Connor was actually crazy.  She was driven to extremes by circumstances.  She was a normal, fragile person who got pulled into an extraordinary situation.

 

Diana (Wonder Woman) is a mythological creature.  Superman is an alien superbeing.  They aren't meant to be like real people.

 

I prefer the Terminator movies, I just think Cameron's criticism was strange.  Wonder Woman the movie was very much in line with what that character is supposed to be.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Why can't they be more realistic and relatable?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I suppose they could be, but I think it would change what's special about those two superheroes in particular.  At least for me.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

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I don't think Sarah Connor was actually crazy.  She was driven to extremes by circumstances.  She was a normal, fragile person who got pulled into an extraordinary situation.

 

She obviously has severe emotional problems due to the fact that she knows the world is gonna end, machines from the future have tried to kill her and NO ONE believes her.

 

She also has horrific nightmares.

 

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

She thought she was better than men because she fucked some guy in a motel after knowing him for 6 hours. We don't know what it's like to really create something.To feel it growing inside of us. All we know is how to kill and destroy!

[Fancyarcher 350]

She was supposed to be insane in Terminator 2 too, or at least people thought she was crazy. That was basically part of the point of the story, she did start out being examined in a mental hospital after all.

 

As for what Cameron said, I get what he's saying, however I thought Wonder Woman's was well-handled, especially since she was actually an inspiring hero, and I'm not sure Cameron himself can write characters as compelling these days either. Still I do respect the man as a filmmaker.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 hours ago, Stefancos said:

 

She obviously has severe emotional problems due to the fact that she knows the world is gonna end, machines from the future have tried to kill her and NO ONE believes her.

 

She also has horrific nightmares.

 

 

 

So....yeah, extreme circumstances.  

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It really does seem like the ghost of Heath Ledger's Joker is running DC these days.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Never understood why a nuclear war would bother Sarah so much to the point of insanity. Just be sure to be in the middle of the city when the bomb explodes and she'd be guaranteed a quick death.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

She wouldn't have lasted as long as she did in the nightmare. How the hell is the playground nuke-proof? We need more playgrounds for the impending nuclear war. Cameron didn't really care about authenticity until he made Titanic.

[A24 4,333]

I stopped watching Wonder Woman because it is downright stale, boring and full of iffy moments and ideas. Are all the critics on the payroll of the studios? I'm beginning to think so ...

 

IMO, the only good scene that I saw was the Snyder-esque telling of the history of Zeus and Ares early on in the movie.

 

 

Alex

 

 

 

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

By the time I'll have watched it, it'll be time for the Older Movies thread.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 hour ago, Alexcremers said:

I stopped watching Wonder Woman because it is downright stale, boring and full of iffy moments and ideas. Are all the critics on the payroll of the studios? I'm beginning to think so ...

 

 

Brought to you by the fantasy world where film criticism is a lucrative job, or something studios care about.  A pet peeve of mine is when people treat critics like an amorphous blob that can be assigned anything en masse.  It was of course encouraged by parasitic garbage sites like Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. 

[mstrox 6,651]

I liked Wonder Woman, except for the last boss battle which was similar level of garbage to the Zod and Doomsday battles previous.

 

I thought Wonder Woman had just the right amount of fun, some good heroic moments (No Mans Land especially).  It had more high points for me than the new Spider-Man, which was fine, and which I saw the same weekend.  It wasn't high cinema, but it wasn't the garbage that Snyder had been putting out.

 

Speaking of, I finally saw BvS yesterday.  It was maybe better than I thought, which I guess is faint praise.  I came out of it with the impression that the script wasn't awful, but Snyder took it the rest of the way there with his heavy hand.  If everyone had lightened the hell up just a little, it would probably have been a serviceable superhero movie.

 

i did like the Gadot/Affleck scenes.  I think Affleck acquitted himself well as Bruce Wayne.  The opening scene amidst the Zod destruction was great.  Amy Adams is a little ray of sunshine even when she isn't given much interesting to do.

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It's too bad they deleted the scenes with Jena Malone and her tortoise frame glasses.

[A24 4,333]

3 hours ago, mstrox said:

 It wasn't high cinema, but it wasn't the garbage that Snyder had been putting out.

 

 

 

I disagree. Snyder may be garbage too but at least with the Batman/Superman rivalry he's trying something new. Wonder Woman is literally the same old, same old in every conceivable way. The story, the style, the music, the characters, the vibe ... We've seen this countless of times before. We we should feel, we have felt a thousand times before. Why would you ever wanna see Wonder Woman again? You've seen it! You know it already!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Her boobs are too small.

[A24 4,333]

True, but she has the face of a goddess.

 

Also, she's a warrior, they have no need for boobs.

 

[Wojo 2,453]

In mythology, they lop off their left boob to draw back the bowstring more easily. 

[nightscape94 965]

Very late to the party, but I just saw the Justice League trailer from Comic-con, and it looks awful, especially the effects.   And the slate of upcoming DC films does not give me any hope for this extended universe franchise to be in any way interesting.  Part of the problem for me is that generally do not care about DC characters, and never found many of them, outside of Batman, very persuasive or entertaining.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Unfortunately, DC is obviously depending on Batman to sell these other characters. It's the problem with Batman v Superman. The Batman scenes are generally strong, but the Superman story is dreadful and Wonder Woman's inclusion was stupid. They should have just made a Batman movie, but they wanted to rip off Marvel and pretend like they had been doing the cinematic universe thing all along by skipping all the steps they took, reviving an old idea for a Batman/Superman movie and going with the worst possible version where they fight and it doesn't really make sense. So now we have these scatterbrained films with too many characters, no focus and scripts that confuse the viewers. It's kind of like if the Marvel cinematic universe people were doing meth. That's the DC cinematic universe.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

BUt Wonder Woman is their most popular character now.  Not Batman.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

When did that happen? Last week?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Obviously older Batman movies are more successful but Wonder Woman is the most successful of the current crop of DC movies.  It's is very, very well-loved outside of this forum.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It doesn't mean anything. Look how much Suicide Squad made!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

$85 million less than Wonder Woman?

Anyway, Wonder Woman is actually a good movie so I'm ok with it.  Unoriginal? Sure.  But well told and very likeable so I wasn't complaining.  There are worse movies to copy than the original Superman.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Each film in the DC universe has made more money than the last, which is shocking. It gives one the impression they're doing everything right.

[nightscape94 965]

Not exactly, BvS was released before Suicide Squad, which made slightly less.