Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I see that reviews for this soundtrack are coming out already. Look, I know it's common practice , including around here, but personally I don't think a review of a soundtrack by someone who hasn't seen the movie means much. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable weighing in on the effectiveness of a score without hearing it in its intended context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I believe it was Jerry Goldsmith that said a great score is able to stand alone outside of the film. I would not presume to debate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I see that reviews for this soundtrack are coming out already. Look, I know it's common practice , including around here, but personally I don't think a review of a soundtrack by someone who hasn't seen the movie means much. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable weighing in on the effectiveness of a score without hearing it in its intended context. Depends on how you qualify the music. We all love scores to films we've never seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I suppose that's true although it's a pretty small list for me and if I do like an OST for a movie I haven't seen I always try to see it. I dunno, I understand both sides of the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I try to meet it somewhere in the middle. I do believe scores should be evaluated on what they were written for, but score albums are meant to be listened away from the film so if it's bad music to listen to on its own, that's a valid point to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 46 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I see that reviews for this soundtrack are coming out already. Look, I know it's common practice , including around here, but personally I don't think a review of a soundtrack by someone who hasn't seen the movie means much. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable weighing in on the effectiveness of a score without hearing it in its intended context. Is anyone here weighing in on the effectiveness of the score? I see only discussion of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 So is Tom Holkenborg the new John Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Is anyone here weighing in on the effectiveness of the score? I see only discussion of music. Oh I'm not talking about the discussion in the forum. I just personally don't think it makes sense to write a formal review with a score until you've seen the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, E.T. and Elliot said: I believe it was Jerry Goldsmith that said a great score is able to stand alone outside of the film. I would not presume to debate him. The operative word is "great." Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I know there have been many times I was not overly impressed with a score until I saw it in context. I listened to 10 Cloverfield Lane many times before seeing the movie and it wasn't really grabbing me, but after seeing the movie I love it. Sometimes a character's theme won't seem memorable until you've seen the movie and maybe really fallen for that character; definitely the case with me and McCreary's theme for Michelle. Obviously a great score can be great out of context, but if I was a music critic I wouldn't feel comfortable publishing a negative review without having seen the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Koray Savas said: I try to meet it somewhere in the middle. I do believe scores should be evaluated on what they were written for, but score albums are meant to be listened away from the film so if it's bad music to listen to on its own, that's a valid point to make. Exactly. A soundtrack album is released under that principle. That you listen to the music outside of the film. If that were not the case, they would not even release it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Yes, but that being said, the music was written first and foremost for a film, and watching it can help you understand better the decisions the composer made regarding the music, why he wrote it in such a way, etc. and thus can lead to a better appreciation of it. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 53 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Yes, but that being said, the music was written first and foremost for a film, and watching it can help you understand better the decisions the composer made regarding the music, why he wrote it in such a way, etc. and thus can lead to a better appreciation of it. And then there are cases where the score might outshine the film in such a way it is better enjoyed separated from the images entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Incanus said: And then there are cases where the score might outshine the film in such a way it is better enjoyed separated from the images entirely. Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said, I'm just kind of uneasy about critics publishing really negative reviews of soundtracks for movies they haven't seen. I'm not saying they should never do it, just that it's a little iffy I guess. I'm not even inclined to like the BvS soundtrack, but I've seen some formally published reviews slamming it brutally and it's just weird to me to make harsh judgments like that out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Artistic criticism should be abolished anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I can't listen to this crap. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 "Needless noise" is a big seller these days. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 10 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Artistic criticism should be abolished anyway. Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Everything is art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Even my cat playing the piano because I was an hour late to feed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 It'd be handy if the booklet stated who composed what in this soundtrack. At least the Avengers: Age of Ultron CD was convenient in providing that information. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 People have been going off the assumption that Holkenborg handled all Batman material and Zimmer everything else. I'm not sure how accurate that is but I agree the credits should be a lot more clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I can't tell what the Batman material is. It all sounds the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 But do you expect the same clarity from a Floyd album's credits as to who wrote what? That kind of thing can be hard to quantify when you're all jamming with the same material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 But my DSOTM album does say who wrote what in the tracklist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: People have been going off the assumption that Holkenborg handled all Batman material and Zimmer everything else. I'm not sure how accurate that is but I agree the credits should be a lot more clear. It's not an assumption. Hans said it himself when he announced that he was scoring the film years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 1 hour ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: But do you expect the same clarity from a Floyd album's credits as to who wrote what? That kind of thing can be hard to quantify when you're all jamming with the same material. This is true. Age of Ultron could credit like that because the composers worked completely separately from each other. This one was clearly more collaborative. 2 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: It's not an assumption. Hans said it himself when he announced that he was scoring the film years ago. Ah, I didn't know that was official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 And why is this soundtrack so frightening? If I didn't know it was a score to a superhero movie, I'd have thought it was music from a horror movie. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Batman v Superman v Freddy v Jason Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Batman vs Superman vs people who know good film music vs Hanz Zimmer fanz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 When it comes to these DC Comics movies, it seems you have to be either Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard or someone connected with them in order to do the music. I'm sick of this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 With emphasis on the last word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: It's not an assumption. Hans said it himself when he announced that he was scoring the film years ago. And in a recent interview he confirmed that that was no longer the case. They collaborated on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The score or the Batman material? I'm sure Holkenborg worked on all aspects of the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Drax said: But my DSOTM album does day who wrote what in the tracklist. Sure, but if Gilmour writes a tune and some chords and maybe a riff, it's still up to the rest to actually make some music out of it. They're not playing from scores, it's a jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: The score or the Batman material? I'm sure Holkenborg worked on all aspects of the music. The Batman material. Around 3:55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 He spent 8 weeks on two notes! What a legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 You should stay in the Trek threads. This petulant smarmy whining is unbecoming. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Star Trek Is Better Then Everything! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Certainly better than wasting time complaining about something you were never gonna like in the first place. Don't be a Joey, ET! You're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 ElPelegrinoGris! Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Si! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 ¿Que? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 4 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Sure, but if Gilmour writes a tune and some chords and maybe a riff, it's still up to the rest to actually make some music out of it. They're not playing from scores, it's a jam. So are we talking about film scores or old bands jamming now? I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 We're talking about film scores that are produced by bands jamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Sharky said: ElPelegrinoGris! That's actually Brazilian Portuguese, not Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 How would you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Soap operas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 22 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: We're talking about film scores that are produced by bands jamming. So Hands Zimmer is a band? 22 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: We're talking about film scores that are produced by bands jamming. So Hands Zimmer is a band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 When he isn't working by himself, that's a reasonable way to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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