The Official Jerry Goldsmith Thread

[publicist 4,650]

You decide:

[Quintus 6,499]

Anyone saw the documentary about the making of Legend? I won't post the whole program but I will just post the part affecting Jerry Goldsmith...

Here Ridley Scott is trying to explain why the score is different from the US and European releases as well as the crew's reactions to Goldsmith's rejection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHBq-iHBQeg

Judging by this, it seems Ridley truly regretted not fighting for Goldsmith's score. So you really couldn't blame JG when he got angry with Scott.

Hmm, haven't seen any of this before, including the 2000 restoration version of the movie. Might have to reappraise...

[Incanus 5,891]

I was not entirely won over, not even when the hammond organ started playing the classic baseball jingle.

[Wojo 2,458]

I bought Angie a while back. Not sure if I've listened to it in a year. Not every Goldsmith is a sacred cow.

[publicist 4,650]

Why in god's name you bought it?

[Wojo 2,458]

It was 4.99 used?

Why in god's name you bought it?

Why for you no write good question?

[publicist 4,650]

The soundtrack for BEVERLY HILLS CHIHUAHUA is also for grabs, go out, buy it!

[Wojo 2,458]

A, that one isn't Goldsmith (or another composer I really like) so the blind buy principle doesn't apply. 2, it was available for streaming at the composer's website so I used Download Helper to acquire it.

[publicist 4,650]

NSA is on your tracks!

[Koray Savas 2,260]

The soundtrack for BEVERLY HILLS CHIHUAHUA is also for grabs, go out, buy it!

Hey what did Heitor ever do to you?!

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Well in this one, it's implied that it's the studio that forced Ridley to ditched JG's score. Nevertheless, JG is still right to be angry with Scott.

The same year, Terry Gilliam was apparently bullied by his studio to throw out Kamen's score from Brazil. As far as I remember, he threatened to destroy the movie if they forced him. The score stayed.

Under this light, you certainly can't blame Goldsmith for being pissed off. I don't think Scott even tried to defend his score at the time.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

That's one score I don't have, never cared for it but at $3.00 might have to, unless it means a deluxe edition is coming.

Who would buy that?

If that's true they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel!

[chuck 155]

It's been 9 years since Jerry Goldsmith has passed away. Next year it will be 10th year anniversary of his death.

[Matt C 605]

I'm listening to Goldsmith's The Salamander suite ("Goodbyes & End Titles")... and I'm swept up into it. The reconstruction was really meticulous and feels like a brand new Goldsmith score.

I'm going to have to buy that.

[chuck 155]

Try this one too, someone edited the new recording and made a 15 minute suite:

[chuck 155]

French director Jeannot Szwarc talks about working with Jerry Goldsmith, as well as John Williams & John Barry:

[Naïve Old Fart 13,027]

I remember liking it greatly.

You remember well, my friend! In fact, it was so good, Ridley Scott used it again...

Well in this one, it's implied that it's the studio that forced Ridley to ditched JG's score. Nevertheless, JG is still right to be angry with Scott.

The same year, Terry Gilliam was apparently bullied by his studio to throw out Kamen's score from Brazil. As far as I remember, he threatened to destroy the movie if they forced him. The score stayed.

Under this light, you certainly can't blame Goldsmith for being pissed off. I don't think Scott even tried to defend his score at the time.

Gilliam did indeed threaten to destroy the negative of "Brazil", if Universal did not release his cut of it.

Universal - under the direction of Sid Shienberg - made a 90-minute cut, with (can you believe?!) a happy ending!!!!! Gilliam hated it, and took out a full-page add in a Hollywood paper (Variety, I think) which said: "Dear Mr Shienberg, when are you going to release my film "Brazil?"

Universal relented, and one of the truly great films of the last 50 years was eventually released, and in its full cut. Phew!

[Jay 46,245]

Love the real version of Brazil. The recut version is quite bizarre!

[Naïve Old Fart 13,027]

Agreed. If only Orson Wells had more clout around the time of "The Magnificent Ambersons", or John Houston had with "Freud", or Billy Wilder had with "The Private Life Of Sherlock Holmes"...

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Oh? Holmes's unevenness is also the cause of studio interventions?

[chuck 155]

The making of Total Recall with a special appearance of this thread's namesake:

[crocodile 9,725]

I need to confess something - I've never watched this film, nor do I ever heard Jerry's music for it (outside of one track on a Telarc album).

Karol

[chuck 155]

If they criticize Total Recall as having no theme, what of Man of Steel?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

Total Recall has several.

So does MoS

[chuck 155]

Basic Instinct with Jerry Goldsmith @2:27

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

I need to confess something - I've never watched this film, nor do I ever heard Jerry's music for it (outside of one track on a Telarc album).

It's a good film. It's also the best action score ever written. A recording of just the theme really can't convey what's so good about the score. Plus with all the synths, it's hard to do even the theme justice in an average re-rec.

[crocodile 9,725]

"The best action score ever written"?

Karol

[chuck 155]

On that I agree.

[Melange 448]

I need to confess something - I've never watched this film, nor do I ever heard Jerry's music for it (outside of one track on a Telarc album).

Karol

I dont care for much of the score, but this track from it is one of Jerry's true masterpieces (IMO).

It is one case where use of the 'over used' word 'Epic' is fully justified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UydcAgYhRc4

[chuck 155]

This one's more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvLynWqmsA

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

"The best action score ever written"?

Yes. This is just one of its many action highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyplmQATko

Yet it also contains one of the non-action highlights of Goldsmith's career:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UydcAgYhRc4

And the finale, with its ever-building drive, rivals ESB's finale in my ears (while of course still being totally different):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp11aC__eXA

I see Melange beat me to The Mutant, and chuckster posted my 2nd choice of action cues.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

What? No love for The Treatment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kFuydgQ5g

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Certainly. But we can't just post the entire score, can we?

...apparently, we can.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

Love the Main Title too, even though it's basically a reworking of his Capricorn One theme.

[crocodile 9,725]

OK then, I'm impressed so far.

Now, tell me: what is this "Deluxe Edition" album like, both completeness-wise and sound-wise?

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

The DE is not complete I think. But certainly all you need from this score is there. And the sound is phenomenal!

The at times savage performance of the NPO really shines through.

[Quintus 6,499]

God the trombones are spectacular in that score. Love it .

[chuck 155]

Love the Main Title too, even though it's basically a reworking of his Capricorn One theme.

No it's not; it's a plagiarized version of Poledouris' Conan the Barbarian!!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

But Conan The Barbarians Anvil Of Crom is based upon Jerry's End Credits of Capricorn One.....

[chuck 155]

So you're saying Poledouris was a hack?!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

Are you saying Jerry Goldsmith was a hack?

[chuck 155]

Did I ever ask that question?!

[Jay 46,245]

I need to confess something - I've never watched this film, nor do I ever heard Jerry's music for it (outside of one track on a Telarc album).

Karol

Great film, great score!

"The best action score ever written"?

Karol

One of them, yes, absolutely, no question.

[crocodile 9,725]

Okay, okay. Scoredered!

Karol

[Jay 46,245]

Now, tell me: what is this "Deluxe Edition" album like, both completeness-wise and sound-wise?

Start with the OST. It must be like a dollar on Amazon. If you like it, get the DE later. The DE is long, and the most essential tracks are all on the OST.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

I need to confess something - I've never watched this film, nor do I ever heard Jerry's music for it (outside of one track on a Telarc album).

Karol

Great film, great score!

"The best action score ever written"?

Karol

One of them, yes, absolutely, no question.

This one and Rambo: First Blood part II

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

God the trombones are spectacular in that score. Love it .

I love the train horn like sound Goldsmith gets out of the brass starting at about 3:00 in End of a Dream.

"The best action score ever written"?

Karol

One of them, yes, absolutely, no question.

This one and Rambo: First Blood part II

Parts of that come close, yes. And parts of Baby.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

I would consider Rambo just a nudge above Recall

[Jay 46,245]

I'm meh on all the Rambo scores. But Total Recall is gold.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,393]

I'm meh on all the Rambo scores.

Ass! Fool!