The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Apparently, Bifur does not have the axe in his head at the end.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

But the worst thing is that the new unnecessary characters serve to complicate the simple story established in the first, one being at the centre of easily the worst aspect of these films (I need not name...her). I am not against the insertion of a female character, but did they have to demean both her and Kili by placing them in a turgid love story? Urgh

I wonder how Saoirse Ronan's Itaril would have turned out. I'm thinking the character would have been quite different. For starters, I doubt there would have been any love story, even with the 3 films split...

Apparently, Bifur does not have the axe in his head at the end.

Cool. That was essential to know that.

Who cares about Beorn, Dain & co, as long as you know Bifur doesn't have the axe in his head at the end of the film?

Well, it isn't shown how it happens or anything, so it doesn't really take any screentime away from anything.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

I wonder why they even bothered with that idea, since they didn't play around with it anyway (apart from that one bit in the AUJ EE).

[Barnald 382]

I think it just underlines BB that most of the Dwarves in the Company, like Dain and Beorn, have been shafted in terms of screentime. It would have been nice to see something like that for Bifur's character, just for something...different. Give one of the lesser Dwarves a moment.

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

I have a feeling it will be an EE thing if anything.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Yeah Dwarves just can't get anything done.

Elves are the only ones who can kill Orcs.

[Barnald 382]

I remember Peter Hambleton (Gloin) saying he had a 'lovely moment' with Bilbo at the end of the film which he hoped would make the cut. Rather inevitably, it does not appear to have done.

How about this important moment between Bofur and Bilbo, which I'm quite certain hasn't made the cut? A nice counterpoint to their scene in the caves in AUJ: http://www.hitfix.com/news/the-hobbits-martin-freeman-on-being-bilbo-and-benedict-cumberbatch-as-smaug/2

And maybe we could see Ori give Bilbo that drawing we see at the opening of AUJ? Would be appreciated PJ.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Apparently the prosthetic Bolg design shows up.

He is knocking Gandalf around in his Cage

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Barnald 382]

I mentioned the Bofur scene here! What more do you people want?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[KK 3,307]

I have to say: I am sad that Barny is posting all kind of Hobbit news and stuff like that (potential EE scenes, etc.) in the TORN forum, but doesn't share them with us...

That used to be YOUR job Messenger, remember? Bah! You've become a disgrace to your own name!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[KK 3,307]

John Williams is still going! What makes you think you can retire?!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

I don't expect I shall return. In fact I mean not to.

Finally!

[KK 3,307]

And I don't expect I shall return. In fact I mean not to.

Well why didn't you just say so? If that's the case, you have my blessing!

But if you dare return like the rest of the weak scum who've made such claims...by my beard, I will smite you!

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

And I don't expect I shall return. In fact I mean not to.

I will smite you!

No you won't you're too merciful

[KK 3,307]

You're right. Perhaps my time at JWFan is ending as well...

[gkgyver 1,647]

Why the hell did you lose the avatars? Grief over BOFA?

[Bilbo 3,710]

Apparently the prosthetic Bolg design shows up.

He is knocking Gandalf around in his Cage

for like 5 second but it was cool to see.

The Bofur and Gloin scenes aren't in. I don't think Jimmy Nesbit has a single line now that I think of it.

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Why the hell did you lose the avatars? Grief over BOFA?

Do you not yet understand? My time is over: it is no longer my task to set things to rights, nor to help folk to do so.

In the willow-meads of Tasarinan we may meet in the Spring.

[SF1_freeze 131]

Smaug clip:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/moviedisappointeds/hobbit-battle-of-the-five-armies-exclusive-clip-smaug-attacks/#/0

CGI is really really bad there! Night scenes are comparatively easy and they still blew it completely. Compare that to the wildfire explosion on Game of Thrones which actually looks photorealistic on a TV budget. This thing looks like late 90s visual effects work. Wtf happened to WETA?

I am super disappointed. WETA died to me. They really are a joke nowadays. Even most TV effect houses deliver miles better CGI work (see Game of Thrones)

[Bilbo 3,710]

I saw no problems with the CGI in the opening sequence tonight. Smaug remains the best CGI I have ever seen in anything.

[SF1_freeze 131]

So you say the CGI looks different in the film than in that clip?

[KK 3,307]

In most shots, he comes close, in others, he still looks he was in pre-vis stages.

Gollum, as seen in AUJ, remains the best CGI creation yet.

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

CGI never looks good on a computer screen as it does in the film/on a good TV IMHO

he still looks he was in pre-vis stages.

If compared with actual previs...

[KK 3,307]

Smaug clip:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/moviedisappointeds/hobbit-battle-of-the-five-armies-exclusive-clip-smaug-attacks/#/0

CGI is really really bad there! Night scenes are comparatively easy and they still blew it completely. Compare that to the wildfire explosion on Game of Thrones which actually looks photorealistic on a TV budget. This thing looks like late 90s visual effects work. Wtf happened to WETA?

I am super disappointed. WETA died to me. They really are a joke nowadays. Even most TV effect houses deliver miles better CGI work (see Game of Thrones)

I don't know if you should entirely dismiss WETA based on these films. I think a lot of the crazy post-production schedule has to do with the poor shots.

WETA gave us Avatar, which I wouldn't call a joke.

And yes, GoT is definitely a much better looking world than The Hobbit.

[Bilbo 3,710]

I thought it looked much better in the cinema than that clip.

Smaug clip:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/moviedisappointeds/hobbit-battle-of-the-five-armies-exclusive-clip-smaug-attacks/#/0

CGI is really really bad there! Night scenes are comparatively easy and they still blew it completely. Compare that to the wildfire explosion on Game of Thrones which actually looks photorealistic on a TV budget. This thing looks like late 90s visual effects work. Wtf happened to WETA?

I am super disappointed. WETA died to me. They really are a joke nowadays. Even most TV effect houses deliver miles better CGI work (see Game of Thrones)

I don't know if you should entirely dismiss WETA based on these films. I think a lot of the crazy post-production schedule has to do with the poor shots.

WETA gave us Avatar, which I wouldn't call a joke.

And yes, GoT is definitely a much better looking world than The Hobbit.

Well it was but that had nothing to do with WETA

[SF1_freeze 131]

I thought it looked much better in the cinema than that clip.

I hope you are right. I really want this to be good!

And yes, GoT is definitely a much better looking world than The Hobbit.

The big joke is that all seasons together (including season 5) cost less than the first two hobbit films. 50 hours of material versus 6.

[KK 3,307]

CGI never looks good on a computer screen as it does in the film/on a good TV IMHO

he still looks he was in pre-vis stages.

If compared with actual previs...

Well...

This is beautiful:

This is laughable:

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Actual previs:

[KK 3,307]

Yeah, yeah, just trying to make a point!

[Jay 37,608]

Bilbo, how did you see the film?

[The Great Gonzales 5,493]

Bilbo, how did you see the film?

He's in it of course!

[Bilbo 3,710]

Bilbo, how did you see the film?

Got tickets to the Irish premier which was on in the Savoy in Dublin tonight. Same as last year!

[Jay 37,608]

Very cool.

[Bilbo 3,710]

Yes. No cast members though. I'll have to wait a full week to see it again.

[Glóin the Dark 1,238]

The...Gloin scenes aren't in.

Bloody ridiculous.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Bilbo 3,710]

The...Gloin scenes aren't in.

Bloody ridiculous.

I'm sorry. You do see him wearing Gimli's helmet though at one point!

[Glóin the Dark 1,238]

What were your scenes about, Gloin?

Well, there was

• the scene where I ran back to Laketown and killed Smaug.¹
• the scene where I went to Dol Guldur and overthrew the Necromancer.²
• the scene where I won the Battle of the Five Armies.³
• the scene where I put on Gimli's helmet.⁴​

Glad to hear that they've left in some of what I did.

¹ I did all the leg-work. All that snotty Ba(sta)rd did was fire the arrow.

² Saruman and Galadriel were my back-up. At the end, Saruman said "Leave Sauron to Glóin!", but I don't know if they've kept that line in.

³ In fairness, Legolas deserves half of the credit.

⁴ It wasn't Gimli's yet, of course!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Bilbo 3,710]

What were your scenes about, Gloin?

Well, there was

• the scene where I ran back to Laketown and killed Smaug.¹
• the scene where I went to Dol Guldur and overthrew the Necromancer.²
• the scene where I won the Battle of the Five Armies.³
• the scene where I put on Gimli's helmet.⁴​

Glad to hear that they've left in some of what I did.

¹ I did all the leg-work. All that snotty Ba(sta)rd did was fire the arrow.

² Saruman and Galadriel were my back-up. At the end, Saruman said "Leave Sauron to Glóin!", but I don't know if they've kept that line in.

³ In fairness, Legolas deserves half of the credit.

⁴ It wasn't Gimli's yet, of course!

Oh that reminds me. The word "Bastards" is in the film.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Incanus 5,741]

What were your scenes about, Gloin?

Well, there was

• the scene where I ran back to Laketown and killed Smaug.¹
• the scene where I went to Dol Guldur and overthrew the Necromancer.²
• the scene where I won the Battle of the Five Armies.³
• the scene where I put on Gimli's helmet.⁴​

Glad to hear that they've left in some of what I did.

¹ I did all the leg-work. All that snotty Ba(sta)rd did was fire the arrow.

² Saruman and Galadriel were my back-up. At the end, Saruman said "Leave Sauron to Glóin!", but I don't know if they've kept that line in.

³ In fairness, Legolas deserves half of the credit.

⁴ It wasn't Gimli's yet, of course!

Oh that reminds me. The word "Bastards" is in the film.

LIttle bastards?

[Bilbo 3,710]

Let me guess... Dain?

Correct in one. He says it when the Orcs show up shortly after he does.