TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 John Neufeld retired in 2005. His last credited orchestration job for Williams was The Terminal (which was orchestrated mainly by Conrad Pope, btw). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 John Neufeld retired in 2005. His last credited orchestration job for Williams was The Terminal (which was orchestrated mainly by Conrad Pope, btw).Thanks, I didn't know that. A pity also, because I think JW's 1990-2001 sound really is his best (thanks to Neufeld for a big deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wrong, John Williams does all his own orchestrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wrong, John Williams does all his own orchestrations.Don't get smart on me boy, I know what JW does and what Neufeld adds to his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Don't call me boy, geitekop, I'm still not past you trying to bash me because i prefer the LOTR scores to Potter.It has been well established that John Williams does all his own orchestrations and everyone else just does copyist work.That is the order of things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Don't call me boy, geitekop, I'm still not past you trying to bash me because i prefer the LOTR scores to Potter.It has been well established that John Williams does all his own orchestrations and everyone else just does copyist work.That is the order of things!As you wish it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 That is the correct answer, though the rolleyes have to go. But you are making progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I'm still trying to figure out how we got to this point.Just because some damn teaser trailer got pushed back and we didn't get a presidential press conference to explain why people suddenly have a massive panic attack.And yet it still isn't as bad as certain people thiking Williams wasn't going to score War of the Worlds just because his name wasn't on the teaser poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 With the exception of The Lost World, Spielberg films tend to have their scores survive pretty well.Few edits, a few drops cues maybe, but nothing excessive.I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 yes.but The Lost World is even a worst hack job than the Prequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 And nobody was talking about the quality of the scores.Anyway, if TLW is better than AOTC, it being hacked is the bigger crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 TLW is better then AOTC, a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 TLW is better then AOTC, a lot better.I agree this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 yes.but The Lost World is even a worst hack job than the PrequelsNo it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 yes.but The Lost World is even a worst hack job than the Prequels What's wrong with you man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 AOTC's score actually holds together well until the movie hits the last two reels. Then it all comes apart. Which is really a shame, because the original music that was in the film's final two reels is outstanding. We are only left to wonder what Williams would have come up with for the battle sequences and the scenes leading up to them. The Lost World was hacked pretty much all the way through. Both OSTs interestingly contain a fair amount of music that was never even included in the respective films; I'm sure such music exists for a lot of movies, but these two OSTs happen to have a lot of that music, which gives the impression that the scores were hacked even more. But that's tough to really say. The Lost World suffers from poor edits throughout, as well as tracked music from other scenes. I get the feeling Spielberg didn't really care for John's work on the Lost World; it was a very different kind of action score, not doubt. More about rhythm than melody.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think you could tell Spielberg didn't really care about many facets of TLW. You certainly get the impression his mind was elsewhere entirely and he left everyone else to do their own thing. When JW's work wasn't quite what he wanted, he opted to get a sound editor to fix it rather than drag Johnny through the mud with re-writes and constant rescoring.I think there was a lack of communication between the Berg and most of his regulars on that film-- notably Johnny, because a great deal of percussive music got ditched and tracked with melodic tracks. Though replacing 'The Hunt' with 'The Lost World' was peculiar -- 'The Hunt' is very melodic, exciting and fits the scene dramatically. Who knows --- I doubt SS cared that much by the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 Yes, Conrad is already working on Indy IV. Don't know if he's the only one.As some of you pointed out, "orchestrating" for JW is merely taking notes from the sketches and moving them to the right staves on a full score. Although, knowing JW, he wouldn't trust just anyone to do this; so since they've been working together for about 15 years, we can safely assume Conrad Pope is one the best orchestrator in the business (which he actually is, by the way - he worked with us on the 79th oscars and he was just amazing).H.Actually John Neufeld is JW's main orchestrator, I believe.You're debating with yourself... I never said Conrad Pope was JW's main orchestrator.Hellgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 You're debating with yourself... I never said Conrad Pope was JW's main orchestrator.Hellgi And yet it still isn't as bad as certain people thiking Williams wasn't going to score War of the Worlds just because his name wasn't on the teaser poster.Yes who could have forgotten the panic that followed for several weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Yes, Conrad is already working on Indy IV. Don't know if he's the only one.As some of you pointed out, "orchestrating" for JW is merely taking notes from the sketches and moving them to the right staves on a full score. Although, knowing JW, he wouldn't trust just anyone to do this; so since they've been working together for about 15 years, we can safely assume Conrad Pope is one the best orchestrator in the business (which he actually is, by the way - he worked with us on the 79th oscars and he was just amazing).H.Actually John Neufeld is JW's main orchestrator, I believe.You're debating with yourself... I never said Conrad Pope was JW's main orchestrator.HellgiAs you can see yourself the person you're quoting is suggesting that Conrad Pope has been Williams' main orchestrator. So I am nuancing your source's comment, if I may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Yes, Conrad is already working on Indy IV. Don't know if he's the only one.As some of you pointed out, "orchestrating" for JW is merely taking notes from the sketches and moving them to the right staves on a full score. Although, knowing JW, he wouldn't trust just anyone to do this; so since they've been working together for about 15 years, we can safely assume Conrad Pope is one the best orchestrator in the business (which he actually is, by the way - he worked with us on the 79th oscars and he was just amazing).H.Actually John Neufeld is JW's main orchestrator, I believe.You're debating with yourself... I never said Conrad Pope was JW's main orchestrator.HellgiAs you can see yourself the person you're quoting is suggesting that Conrad Pope has been Williams' main orchestrator. So I am nuancing your source's comment, if I may.Is it me or some persons here just don't know how to read proper English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 MSM is from the Netherlands.Allow me to apologize on behalve of my country and my people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Yes, Conrad is already working on Indy IV. Don't know if he's the only one.As some of you pointed out, "orchestrating" for JW is merely taking notes from the sketches and moving them to the right staves on a full score. Although, knowing JW, he wouldn't trust just anyone to do this; so since they've been working together for about 15 years, we can safely assume Conrad Pope is one the best orchestrator in the business (which he actually is, by the way - he worked with us on the 79th oscars and he was just amazing).H.Actually John Neufeld is JW's main orchestrator, I believe.You're debating with yourself... I never said Conrad Pope was JW's main orchestrator.HellgiAs you can see yourself the person you're quoting is suggesting that Conrad Pope has been Williams' main orchestrator. So I am nuancing your source's comment, if I may.Is it me or some persons here just don't know how to read proper English?I just found the following remark sounding like Conrad Pope would be the only one trusted by Williams to do his orchestrations, which wouldn''t do right to Neufeld. Apparantly you didn't mean it like that, so I apoligize for the misunderstanding.Although, knowing JW, he wouldn't trust just anyone to do this; so since they've been working together for about 15 years, we can safely assume Conrad Pope is one the best orchestrator in the businessMSM is from the Netherlands.Allow me to apologize on behalve of my country and my people.And on behalf of yourself...it's behalf, not behalve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Illiterates.... Man, i wanted to say that No pun intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 And on behalf of yourself...it's behalf, not behalve Apparantly you didn't mean it like that, so I apoligize for the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Eh... Apparantly you didn't mean it like that, so I apoligize for the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Having spelling difficulties, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Having spelling difficulties, are we? AND grammar difficulties I think this proves that English should be taught more thoroughly in high school in The Netherlands Still I'd like to know if Hellgi still thinks my comment is stupid or that it makes any sense now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 It keeps amusing me how much of a fuzz some people make of spelling mistakes. I don't mind them, unless posts become really unreadable. I always try to spell properly myself, but I am not perfect either: being Dutch, I also make spelling mistakes on occasion. But I see no need in making a fuzz out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'm always impressed by how well our non-English speaking members can type in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 I don't mind spelling mistakes (I make a lot of them myself).MSM, no harm done... I'm glad we were able to clarify the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Having spelling difficulties, are we? AND grammar difficulties Actually, I think that was correct: 'Are we having spelling difficulties?' Give credit where credit's due man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 LOL. What should it have been if not "Having spelling difficulties, are we?"? I thought that was correct, but if not, I'd be interested to know. Always happy to improve my English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Having spelling difficulties, are we? AND grammar difficulties Actually, I think that was correct: 'Are we having spelling difficulties?' Give credit where credit's due man! Of course It seems I should have paid more attention in English class LOL. What should it have been if not "Having spelling difficulties, are we?"? I thought that was correct, but if not, I'd be interested to know. Always happy to improve my English. Don't worry, it's fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Don't feel bad, a majority of people who have englsih as their native language can't type it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Don't feel bad, a majority of people who have englsih as their native language can't type it correctly.Much less speak it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A large part of that is due to the stupid rules and exceptions of the English language, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 No it comes from being to ignorant to speak proper English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Things like how you add an -ies to the end of words ending in -y to make them plural, how you capitalize "I" when it's by itself, but not "a," words like pseudonym or knife that have random letters thrown in. . . .it really is a strange language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Riiigghtttt................................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Riiigghtttt................................................ Missing something....Riiigghtttt................................................ There we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I can always count on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I gotcha back, brotha.....Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 English does make less sense than a lot of languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Not to someone who doesn't speak any other language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Um, because they have nothing to compare it too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Riiigghtttt................................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A large part of that is due to the stupid rules and exceptions of the English language, though.Hahahahaha...If you only knew, boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A large part of that is due to the stupid rules and exceptions of the English language, though.Why can't the English learn to speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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