indy4 155 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Now, I know not all of these are love themes in the strictest sense, but I think they could all pass for some sort of romantic theme.My ranking is as follows:1. Han Solo and the Princess2. Across the Stars3. Luke and Leia4. Princess Leia's ThemeThey're all gorgeous themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,097 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Across the Stars was the first and last time JW wrote a love theme for Star Wars! He said so himself! But seriously, ummm...I'm strongly tempted to go with door #1, but it's difficult to say. Han Solo and the Princess is adapted brilliantly for use in ESB. Across the Stars is absolutely gorgeous, too...Princess Leia's theme has an amazing concert arrangement, but I'm not a big fan of the flute solos...and Luke and Leia is probably my least favorite of the four, but still quite good.Meditate on this I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 216 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 1. Han Solo and the PrincessHuh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 1. Han Solo and the PrincessHuh?Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 "Princess Leia's Theme". I like all of them especially "Han Solo and the Princess", although its counterpart Marion's theme from Raiders is a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Across the Stars is absolutely gorgeous, tooIt does have a nice hook to it, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Leia's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the Princess, although I have a huge fondness for Luke and Leia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Leia's theme.Arguably Williams's finest concert arrangement of any of his themes. Just beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the princess. BTW, Luke and Leia theme is very very similar to Caesar and cleopatra's love theme in Alex North's Cleopatra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the princess. BTW, Luke and Leia theme is very very similar to Caesar and cleopatra's love theme in Alex North's Cleopatra. If you like Alex North so much, why don't you marry him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 That's illegal, for more than one reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 216 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the princess. BTW, Luke and Leia theme is very very similar to Caesar and cleopatra's love theme in Alex North's Cleopatra. Or "Make Our Garden Grow" from Candide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Or 'I Never Said Goodbye' by Englebert Humperdinck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dunno those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Englebert HumperdinckI love Eddie Izzard's take on his stage name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I just came back from a really long cast party, so I am not entirely sure how conheret my sentences will be, but here goes....1.Princess Leia's Theme2. Luke and Leia (I just love the parts where it swells3. HAn Solo and the Princess4. Across the Stars. It may be my least favorite, but I love it nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the Princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 535 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Across The Stars with Leia's Theme just behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 When I go just by the themes (and not factor in the nostalgia, etc), it's Across the Stars, hands down.This theme gives me heartaches... but in a good way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,259 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Leia's. Miles ahead of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,813 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I would rank Anakin's theme as a love theme of sorts.BTW all of the ones in the poll are love themes without a doubt.Really its hard to choose one, they are all quite beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I would rank Anakin's theme as a love theme of sorts.If Anakin's Theme is a love theme, then The Imperial March is a love theme too, and where does that end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 216 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dunno those. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwM35ENXm_A...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,813 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 It the performance-orchestration and mood what it makes a love theme, not the musical notes... (i mean... you could make a love theme out of any theme, orchestrating it in a love theme way...)I mean its a theme that can be (or even IS) used for the relationship between Shmi and AnakinA mother-son love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han Solo and the PrincessLeia's Theme a very close second.Luke & Leia and Across The Stars are mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 4 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I think Ilia's Theme is the best. Oops, wrong forum. I would say Princess Leia's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 When I go just by the themes (and not factor in the nostalgia, etc), and look at the pure quality of the music:1. Princess Leia's Theme2. Han Solo & The Princess3. Luke & Leia4. Across The Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,259 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I'd rate ATS higher than that. Probably third place, with Luke & Leia in the rear, although that's still a very fine theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I just came back from a really long cast party, so I am not entirely sure how conheret my sentences will be, but here goes....OMG Nick! When I go just by the themes (and not factor in the nostalgia, etc), and look at the pure quality of the music:1. Princess Leia's Theme2. Han Solo & The Princess3. Luke & Leia4. Across The StarsYes, I'm sure that if you factored in nostalgia that list would be totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Yeah I'd probably put Han Solo & The Princess in 1st & Princess Leia's Theme 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Han and the PrincessAcross the StarsLeia'sLuke and Leia (not that it's bad, just not that great and miles behind the others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Princess Leia's Theme - Han Solo and the Princess - Luke and Leia - Across the Stars - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why do so many hate Across the Stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I can only assume (perhaps too much), but it might be because...Princess Leia's Theme - 1977Han Solo and the Princess - 1980Luke and Leia - 1983Across the Stars- 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I can only assume (perhaps too much), but it might be because...Princess Leia's Theme - 1977Han Solo and the Princess - 1980Luke and Leia - 1983Across the Stars- 2002Diminishing returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why do so many hate Across the Stars?I don't think many people hate it. They simply rank it below three incredible themes.I sometimes really like it, but when I listen to it back to back with Leia's theme, I feel like pulling out the TMP poster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why do so many hate Across the Stars?I don't think many people hate it. They simply rank it below three incredible themes.I sometimes really like it, but when I listen to it back to back with Leia's theme, I feel like pulling out the TMP poster...Yup. It's given a marvelous treatment in "Love Pledge," but on the whole, the theme is as unconvincing as the relationship for which it was written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why do so many hate Across the Stars?I don't think many people hate it. They simply rank it below three incredible themes.I sometimes really like it, but when I listen to it back to back with Leia's theme, I feel like pulling out the TMP poster...Yup. It's given a marvelous treatment in "Love Pledge," but on the whole, the theme is as unconvincing as the relationship for which it was written.Is that because you find the love story unconvincing, or does it have to do with the actual music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well, the love story had more chemistry in the "Love" trailer that used Leia's theme than it did in the film itself, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why do so many hate Across the Stars?I don't think many people hate it. They simply rank it below three incredible themes.I sometimes really like it, but when I listen to it back to back with Leia's theme, I feel like pulling out the TMP poster...Yup. It's given a marvelous treatment in "Love Pledge," but on the whole, the theme is as unconvincing as the relationship for which it was written.Is that because you find the love story unconvincing, or does it have to do with the actual music?The actual music. I remember hearing a live performance at Tanglewood in 2002 and being struck by how utterly weak and insipid the piece sounded -- especially with "Princess Leia's Theme" having been performed earlier in the evening. An unhappy and unflattering juxtaposition, you might say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 To each his own, I guess. Although I must say, the more I think about it, the more I realize how Leia's Theme doesn't really fit the personality of her character. In the films she's sarcastic, hard headed leader, and I don't think the music reflects that very well. It's still a fantastic piece of music, and decades of associating the piece with the character have made the two fit together perfectly in my mind. But it doesn't really reflect her characteristics, except perhaps her beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 To each his own, I guess. Although I must say, the more I think about it, the more I realize how Leia's Theme doesn't really fit the personality of her character. In the films she's sarcastic, hard headed leader, and I don't think the music reflects that very well. It's still a fantastic piece of music, and decades of associating the piece with the character have made the two fit together perfectly. But it really doesn't fit the more I think about it.We've already had a thread about this. I can try to dig it up, perhaps. There are two ways to go about it:a) Princess Leia's theme is intended to be a traditional love theme. I believe Ricard posted a quote from Williams indicating as much.b) Princess Leia's theme is intended to underscore the archetypal convention of the damsel in distress rather than to delineate the character.Edit: Take a look at this link: http://jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopi...st&p=448404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Ah, I see. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 b) Princess Leia's theme is intended to underscore the archetypal convention of the damsel in distress rather than to delineate the character.Yes. It's more about Luke's perception of Leia than Leia herself - it's a love theme. (Ew! Gross!) Similarly, Luke's theme doesn't underscore Luke's immaturity and impatience, it favors his heroic edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,097 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 That's a good comparison to draw, Henry. I never thought about it that way, but it's so true - both of their themes very much play into the archetypal roles that they satisfy in the story, not necessarily their actual personalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 That makes sense. The theme doesn't necessarily play when she's on screen as much as when Luke is seeing an image of her or thinking about her. As far as Star Wars is concerned, we don't know who will end up with her, so she is free for both Luke and Han to desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,735 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Leia's theme gets my vote. I have loved the theme from the first time I heard it. Such a beautiful development and orchestration. As stated above the music for the Princess is more of an archetype character, the classical love interest in the film for whom JW composed an innocent and beautiful theme to reflect the fairytale aspect of the story he saw in her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,538 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Han Solo and The Princess for me. Love the concert arrangement, which sadly wasn't recorded by Williams with the LSO for the OST like most of his other SW concert arrangements were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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