Ollie 1,059 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Valeris purposely joined the Enterprise for this trip as the helmsman, she even stated so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Right. She was the conspiracy's "inside man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Let's not forget Saavik was half romulan and half vulcan as stated by one of the deleted scenes. Plus her and Spock did "meled" together when Pon far came into place.Spock was unable to take a mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Changing Saavik to Valaris creates the only major issue in the script for Trek 6.Because they are looking for a traitor on the inside, and there just happens to be a completely new character in this film.If it were Saavik, it could have been more of a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 TOS is definitely about the friendship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Its unfortunate that the only movie that really showed that friendship was TFF.You don't think TSFS was about friendship?I think TFF captured the feel of TOS better than any of the other films. The way the three of them interacted together was reminiscent of the show. TSFS is about the friendship but it didn't demonstrate their friendship. Spock is barely in the movie and McCoy is never himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Spock is barely in the movie and McCoy is never himself.That greenblooded son of a bitch! This is his revenge for all those arguments he lost!Sounds like McCoy to me.But indeed, Trek 5 is the only one that put the trio together for a long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Steef is agreeing with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 To a certain degree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Changing Saavik to Valaris creates the only major issue in the script for Trek 6.Because they are looking for a traitor on the inside, and there just happens to be a completely new character in this film.If it were Saavik, it could have been more of a surprise.It would have been much more shocking, and resonated with the fans. Not to mention created one hell of a firestorm! But what we got is still plenty good.Trek 5 does put the trio together the most, but it's also missing a lot of the crisp writing of the other movies. Scotty actually gets the best lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 The whole concept of a big, RED monster on a white ice planet.....That was pretty silly. Nifty looking monster, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Just imagine Kirstie Alley NOW as Saavik. Ewww...Just last night, I popped in STIII, and told myself that I'd watch a few minutes and then go to bed. Despite some hokey moments that I didn't recognize as such back when I watched it as a kid, I ended up watching the whole thing! It was two in the morning.When Kirk is breaking McCoy out of the mental ward, and the guard is "surprise" punched by Kirk, it is the slowest, most obvious punch ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 John.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Though I do have to credit Red Dwarf for the line and Blume for making the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I like the parallax you get when comparing the photo at left, where the warning box is completely to the right of Jack's sword, to the close-up at the right, where the sword blade is now squarely behind the yellow warning triangle.Very clever. That image shift alone is almost enough to give someone IBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I like the parallax you get when comparing the photo at left, where the warning box is completely to the right of Jack's sword, to the close-up at the right, where the sword blade is now squarely behind the yellow warning triangle.Very clever. That image shift alone is almost enough to give someone IBS.Blume must have been listening to too much Pirates that day.- Datameister, who was applauded after playing "He's a Pirate" on a piano in a public place today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Spock is barely in the movie and McCoy is never himself."Scanning. Indications negative at this time" Did I get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Spock is barely in the movie and McCoy is never himself."Scanning. Indications negative at this time" Did I get it right?Great, Hitch. Just great.Yes, it would have been called Star Trek III: The Search for a New Science Officer or Star Trek III: Saavik Takes Spock's Place.I would have liked Star Trek III: Saavik Get's her Freak On, or Star Trek III: Saavik Shows her Boobies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Whose? Kirstie Alley's, or Robin Curtis's?Maybe portraying Saavik as full Vulcan was the only way to justify satisfying Spock's pon farr needs on Genesis by touching the fingers. She was full Vulcan so the logic schtick worked. If she was half Romulan, her emotional side would be a little more frisky for some fun.That's also why alternate Spock kisses Uhura so many times in Star Trek 11. That relationship is 3/4 human, not 3/4 Vulcan, so rubbing fingers really doesn't have the same effect. Even if you say it's a personal thing, it's not like they have cameras in the turbolift cars, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Maybe portraying Saavik as full Vulcan was the only way to justify satisfying Spock's pon farr needs on Genesis by touching the fingers. She was full Vulcan so the logic schtick worked. If she was half Romulan, her emotional side would be a little more frisky for some fun.It certainly would have made the scene more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Chicka wow-wow, chicka wow-wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Whose? Kirstie Alley's, or Robin Curtis's?Maybe portraying Saavik as full Vulcan was the only way to justify satisfying Spock's pon farr needs on Genesis by touching the fingers. She was full Vulcan so the logic schtick worked. If she was half Romulan, her emotional side would be a little more frisky for some fun.Well the camera did cut away and when we come back they are sleeping so........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Whose? Kirstie Alley's, or Robin Curtis's?At the time? Kirstie Alley's, definitely. (Her appearance in "Runaway" starring Tom Selleck was a highlight of the movie, no nudity but she strips down to her skivvies and is quite nice, if memory serves.)Not anymore, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruckhorn 105 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Maybe portraying Saavik as full Vulcan was the only way to justify satisfying Spock's pon farr needs on Genesis by touching the fingers. She was full Vulcan so the logic schtick worked. If she was half Romulan, her emotional side would be a little more frisky for some fun.It certainly would have made the scene more interesting.In the novelization of ST IV, it states that Saavik is pregnant and that's why she stayed behind. The scene was shot, but cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Ya know, I was going to suggest that Spock knocked her up, but didn't stick around Vulcan long enough to take care of Spock Jr.Besides, if they had included the pregnant Saavik, they would have needed to show more than just she and Spock rubbing fingers together. Because if that's all it takes, I wouldn't want to shake hands with a Vulcan or eat anything prepared by a Vulcan. That makes the Vulcan hand salute...vulgar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Maybe this will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Whose? Kirstie Alley's, or Robin Curtis's?Well, if we're talking about those two back in '84, either one's I'm sure were quite nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Whose? Kirstie Alley's, or Robin Curtis's?Maybe portraying Saavik as full Vulcan was the only way to justify satisfying Spock's pon farr needs on Genesis by touching the fingers. She was full Vulcan so the logic schtick worked. If she was half Romulan, her emotional side would be a little more frisky for some fun.Well the camera did cut away and when we come back they are sleeping so...........I didn't see any put-out cigarettes, though...Getting back to STII, when Chekov looked at the Botany Bay belt buckle and realized they were in danger, why didn't he just request the Reliant beam Terrell and himself back to ship, immediately? Instead, they put on their helmets, wrestle with that door, step outside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Probably because you can't experience The Wrath of Khan if Khan never actually shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Which is of course entirely dependent on the presence of Chekov, whom he never even met before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Getting back to STII, when Chekov looked at the Botany Bay belt buckle and realized they were in danger, why didn't he just request the Reliant beam Terrell and himself back to ship, immediately? Instead, they put on their helmets, wrestle with that door, step outside...Because the cargo carriers have a magnopositachyon hull that prevents transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 And they also had to go back to the transport co-ordinates site. "Damn....hurrrry" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Maybe this will help Wow, pehaps it was time to do an Admiral's log..."Stardate ...... Admiral's personal log, I am furthering Romulan-Vulcan-Earth relationships". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Maybe this will help Wow, pehaps it was time to do an Admiral's log..."Stardate ...... Admiral's personal log, I am furthering Romulan-Vulcan-Earth relationships".I'm confused, and I've watched that clip twice. Isn't that already on the Director's Cut DVD of Wrath of Khan? It feels so familiar, even down to the hairstyle comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 It's Kirstie Alley's reaction shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Oh. Well, it's not like I really need an excuse to wipe the dust from my Star Trek DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Maybe this will help Wow, pehaps it was time to do an Admiral's log..."Stardate ...... Admiral's personal log, I am furthering Romulan-Vulcan-Earth relationships".I'm confused, and I've watched that clip twice. Isn't that already on the Director's Cut DVD of Wrath of Khan? It feels so familiar, even down to the hairstyle comments.No, its not. In the Director's Cut, the original long, single shot version is used. When the film went to TV, they used that clip because of cropping issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Maybe this will help Wonderful stuff that Romulan... ale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Did you change your hairstyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hadn't noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 As a physician you of all people should understand the dangers of reopening old wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Marian, I can hear you....what's the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Isn't there a (spam) thread for this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 As a member here you should realize the dangers of re-opening old wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I don't believe in a no win scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Then you've never faced death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 No uncoded messages on an open channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sauce for the goose Mr. Schedenig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Then you've never faced death.The purpose is to experience fear. Fear in the face of certain death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Fear leads to anger, anger leads....... oh wait, wrong franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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