Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 23 hours ago, publicist said: What do you get from that? Apart from the overture it's really mediocre, even by 1991 standards (which were significantly lower than, say, Korngold). I love Korngold's Robin Hood, and it's rightly considered one of his best scores, but his Main Title theme has always annoyed me. It's to wacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I totally agree, which is why I rate the Sea Hawk personally much higher (film too, for that matter)...the other reason is that Korngold cribbed his concert works quite a bit (Sursum Corda in particular) for Robin Hood so it feels more patchwork to me whereas Sea Hawk has lots of variety but feels more cohesive. Main theme alone, I actually prefer Kamen to Korngold, shockingly enough. Clifton Parker's totally unreleased score to the 50s live action Disney Robin Hood is also very good...hopefully Intrada will consider releasing it someday. Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think he integrates existing music well into his scores, be it his Sursum Corda for Robin or Liszt's symphonic poem for Captain Blood. But yeah, the Sea Hawk might be his most impressive score. Too bad Stromberg's complete re-recording is flawed... but thankfully we have Kojian's excellent selections! I agree that Kamen's main theme is the better one of the two. Where can I hear Parker's theme? Btw, hoping for new releases of the original score recordings to Korngold's adventure films. The old Tsunami releases were too heavy on the noise reduction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 http://disneysrobin.blogspot.com/2009/08/clifton-parker-1905-1989.html?m=1 Nice bits about the score (very different from Korngold or Kamen) in the comment section of this article...sadly I can't find any samples online but the film itself is actually available for streaming at multiple sites. I highly recommend it -- it's actually by far my favorite film adaptation of the story. Prince of Thieves is dumb in so many ways of course but I actually even prefer this by far to the more corny Errol Flynn film (like I said I prefer The Sea Hawk). The live story is 1000% more natural and Peter Finch ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!" guy from Network) is a pretty good Sheriff of Nottingham. I also like that it's a younger Robin (played wonderfully by Richard Todd) and his father is actually alive with him at the start. Agree with you on hoping for more official Korngold releases...LLL mentioned they were working on some Korngold a couple years back. Fingers crossed... Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Yes, Prince of Thieves is quite dumb, like many other films by the same director. The Errol Flynn one is indeed corny, but I love its charm and quality craftmanship (especially the great camerawork). I'll look into the live Disney version! When I asked LLL in 2014 about the score to The Adventures of Robin Hood, they replied Its certainly on our radar. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yes, Prince of Thieves is quite dumb, like many other films by the same director. The Error Flynn one is indeed corny, but I love its charm and quality craftmanship (especially the great camerawork). I'll look into the live Disney version! When I asked LLL in 2014 about the score to The Adventures of Robin Hood, they replied Its certainly on our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 He's the less known brother of Errol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Here's the Disney live action Robin Hood on YouTube: The preview you can see has the end of the confrontation with Little John. It's really charming and you can tell they were consciously doing something different from Errol Flynn. Here's the hilarious Friar Tuck meeting and subsequent action scene (two parts) with some good music: I guess the closest thing there is to a main theme you hear at 1:40 with a little development after -- it's really more of a fanfare/hunting call than a full fledged theme, but it works great in the movie. The main title is actually a song sung by Alan-a-Dale. I usually don't like title songs, but I actually really like this one. I also really like how they emphasize Robin Hood more as a woodsman and archer than some kind of Zorro with a blade. Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 From the few minutes I see here (the first video wouldn't play at my location), I prefer the style of Flynn version. And I'm not convinced the Flynn version is any more corny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Olivia de Havilland was sexy as hell too. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 4:55 PM, TownerFan said: Kamen wrote in a very "busy" fashion, with lots of notes, perhaps sometimes he went a tad too far in terms of thickness during some accompaniment scoring (nowadays this kind of writing would very much be jettisoned for being "too distracting") That's because he got paid by the note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,117 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The Next Intrada release will be a 3CD set featuring an action packed score from Disney! Some discussion going on with Roger Feigelson on a thread about Disney titles In the Suggestion Box Intrada forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Here's the full quote with source link Quote Quote Still that mysterious Disney 3-CD set to come, too. That's next. http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=78624#p78624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hmmm what could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Does anyone remember where the original post that had more information about the 3CD set was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,117 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I wish it was MULAN but unlikely since that title was an exclusive to Disney Legacy series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I don’t think Mulan would take up 3 discs. Are you sure Intrada cant release it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I think Mulan will be a Disney Legacy title, and not an Intrada title, too. Either way, it certainly wouldn't need 3 discs, not by a long shot. The 3 disc set could be multiple films, one long film, a tv miniseries, a tv season or season(s), multiple shows in one set... so many possibilities - if anyone remembers where Doug or Roger first mentioned they had it in the works, maybe we can narrow it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Maybe it’s a Star Wars score. 😉😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,117 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Initially I was thinking MIGHTY JOE YOUNG But now I'm beginning to think that this might be the long rumored WILLOW. There were some very good discussion points at a thread at Intrada. After Troy, Shogun, Waxman, Robin Hood this could be it. Finger Crossed. http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7612&hilit=Willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 What about a Korngold set of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, and The Sea Hawk? That could make sense after the Waxman release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Jay said: Disney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Ah, forgot that. Unless Disney already bought Warner Bros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 But 3 discs for Willow? I mean, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but is there enough music for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Willow is not Disney. And to label it such just because they bought Lucasfilm a few years before would be grossly misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The Rock? It was made by Buena Vista who are part of Disney, but that might be too technical a detail for Roger's clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I doubt that would come out as a 3CD set, nor would Doug/Roger be so excited about it they'd talk about it beforehand / hype it up. It's guaranteed to be something old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Maybe it's Disney's live Robin Hood, although I have no idea if that would need 3 CDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 That sure was an action packed score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I still have to see the movie to experience the entire score, but I've heard it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It's a nice Disney animation score without a hint of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hehe. Are you sure we're talking about the same Disney version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The contrasting use of 'live' and 'animation' suggest not... Jurassic Shark and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Unless he thinks the live version has a typical animation movie score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Here's the quotes about the 3CD Disney set, for those who didn't click through Amer's post Quote I guess it's cheating - or perhaps just teasing folks - to say what I'm listening to now is a 9-minute action sequence from a massive two-hour score I'm currently editing and mastering. All in magnificent stereo. With no less than six French horns, four trumpets, four trombones and a tuba taking up the back row of the orchestra! Yep, it's a loud one. A powerhouse, to be sure... and hopefully coming your way before too many moons pass. (Because I'm sorta getting my fill of this one and am anxious to move on to my next project, still another action-packed masterpiece, this time from the Disney vaults.) Quote Yes, I teased about a massive score with a lot of brass and indeed was feeling ready to move on to my next project from Disney, ironically an equally big project. But to keep everyone on their toes, neither the one I teased about (now completed) nor the subsequent Disney score (currently assembled into a 3-CD set and being mastered as I write) are the projects under discussion in this thread. Yep. That's right. The two titles Roger gives a nod to (both epics in my opinion) are NOT the big projects I alluded to, for Warner Bros. and Disney respectively. Bottom line: Intrada has a number of pretty exciting releases to bring out over the next three months or thereabouts... so stay tuned. The first score Doug talks about in these quotes is of course Kamen's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves from WB vaults, the second is the Disney 3CD coming out on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I've only seen the live version, and it's not a typical animation score. I'm sure that's already got a comprehensive release and there's no possible way you'd fill 3 CDs. 1 minute ago, Jay said: Here's the quotes about what the 3CD Disney set is, for those who didn't click through Amer's post Basically, it's a really long action score from a Disney film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Hehe. Are you sure we're talking about the same Disney version? What other Disney version is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1938 live action and 1973 animated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1938 live action is Warner Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Jeez Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Oh, I always thought that was Disney. And Sharky made the mistake first! (how many damn versions are there?) Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Basically, it's a really long action score from a Disney film. Yep! An "Action-packed masterpiece" from the Disney Vaults that takes 3 CDs to release... hmmmmmmm COULD be Willow, with complete score on discs 1 and 2, and OST on disc 3. BUTTT, I'm guessing its likely something from the 50s-70s released by Disney proper, that I won't be familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Disney's live version was released in 1952, titled The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men. I just became aware of it a few weeks ago, and the score has apparently never been released. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045197/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Well, that film is only 84 minutes, so it doesn't seem likely it would need a 3CD set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Clifton...Parker. Nah... It's Roger Rabbit (unlikely, with the description), Mighty Joe Young (fits the Disney/action clue best) or Mulan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Well, that film is only 84 minutes, so it doesn't seem likely it would need a 3CD set. Agreed, unless they found a lot of outtakes and alternates. And I'd be surprised if it's in stereo, although Disney were pioneering stereo scores long before everyone else. Could it be a Menken score? It would be fitting to give him the attention with his return to scoring at Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Scores for british productions from the early 50's have neither alternates to speak of nor would they be released on 3 discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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