publicist 4,643 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Didn't like Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, mstrox said: Didn't like Troy A good mstrox you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I've never heard it before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 It's like outtakes from 'Gladiator' and 'Enemy at the Gates' rolled into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I saw the film in theaters back in '04 and remember thinking it was kind of a wet noodle of an historical epic. Never listened to the score either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Troy is one of the few DVDs I actually traded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Heh, it became so quickly apparent what a shitty actor Orlando Bloom is in his first few years post-LOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The poem is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 20 hours ago, publicist said: It can't and shouldn't be removed. It's just an awfully careless, even crass steal, considering Horner knew exactly what he was stealing from. He already did in 'Cocoon' and 'Star Trek II' but that was a comparably minor passage but this is a major part devoted to the mourning and the remembrance of all the martyrs from the last two WW's. Repurposing it as just another triumphant fanfare (for the city of Troy) may not be a war crime but it reeks of intellectual arrogance on Horner's part (the idiots watching this picture will not notice anyway). I rather agree with you on this. I've by and large learned to deal with a lot of Horner's uncredited repurposing of concert hall pieces by other composers. But Troy is the exception I really just can't accept. For me the Shostakovich is just as offensive as the Britten though, because it is so blatant and central to the score. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 So are there two tracks on the OST that use this music then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This will be the greatest war the world has ever seen... we need the greatest warrior... *Brad Pitt with extensions* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Koray Savas said: This will be the greatest war the world has ever seen... we need the greatest warrior... *Brad Pitt with extensions* That was very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The director’s cut has the music even more of a mess with Elfman’s Planet of the Apes of all things underscoring the Hector fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Oh yeah, apparently Petersen wasn't really happy with either score for the scene and decided to use Elfman's Planet of the Apes instead. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 There's also some Aliens cue in there somewhere, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 10/1/2017 at 9:05 AM, Disco Stu said: From a new press release: http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/sc.13/category.60330/.f Well, it's not Narnia! Gregson-Williams has no Oscar. Guess it's Troy after all? I wouldn't call Doug's Corner a press release! Just essentially a blog post on his own website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Well, it seemed semi-official since they tweeted it out and featured on the front page of the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Waht do you mean, of course its "official"; Its the owner of the label talking. It's just a blog post really, not a press release, that's all. There's an archive of all the Doug's Corner's in their forum area http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Troy and Shōgun it is. http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.10782/.f?sc=13&category=-113 http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11263/.f?sc=13&category=-113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 So we don't get an explanation for why two tracks couldn't be licensed again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No rejected score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Nope. Yared killed any chances of that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Test audiences agreed it was the worst music they had ever heard. Atrocious, one could say. Absolutely dreadful, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: How so? With they way he handled the whole rejection, “releasing” his score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Was he very public about it? Ottman leaked Superman Returns and Davis leaked his Marrix scores. La-La Land still found a way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 He pissed off Warner Bros. I thought Ford or someone from one of the labels had mentioned it many years ago. Jeez, I can’t believe it’s been 13 years already since Troy was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Ah, so it’s an Elliot Goldenthal type situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 More than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofDestiny 71 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Shogun is a must have. But troy? Why? Why release this but not the rejected score? Or many others better Horner's work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 So it would behoove those who have the original Troy release to hang on to it for a truly complete release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No doubt there are tons of people who will still snatch this up, regardless of its quality. I'm completely indifferent to Horner's score for this movie anyway, especially in the face of the far superior Yared score. Release that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I agree 100%. I’m just thrilled they’ve released Shōgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Troy is just a terrible mess of a film and score but I still enjoy it greatly. So bad it’s good! I ordered myself a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I may get it at some point, looks like I’ll have to track down the original release as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Sweet. Ordered Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 In a twist of fate the Britten cue i was talking about was nixed for this release. Which makes the whole affair a bit questionable: the cue 'Troy' was probably this score's 'For the Love of a Princess', meaning it's so essential that fans have to get it from another source or or missing a vital (if dubious) part of that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 So, from what I could see, it's the first two tracks from the original album that are missing? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No, the first one is part of this set's first cue. But a lot of cosmetic changes have been made. Read here: http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/troy-intrada-exclusive-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 The article only mentions one track. I can't see anything else missing. Or is it the portion of one battle sequence that uses the same fanfare from Troy? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I just skimmed through it, there seem to be different (less polished or just worse) intros to i. e. 'Achilles Leads the Myrmidons' and inner changes to several others. The Troy fanfare features prominently in 'The Greek Army and its Defeat' and the article remains vague if that is substituted but it's possible. Be that as it may, i would sample the album cues up to that point as you may want to flip-flop between both versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 hours ago, El Jefe said: Troy and Shōgun it is. http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.10782/.f?sc=13&category=-113 http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11263/.f?sc=13&category=-113 I shall pass this time around. I might be tempted to try out Jarre's score but I think I'll save my money for the purportedly great LLL releases. Plus I found Horner's Troy rather stomach turning last minute replacement job where he didn't stint on borrowing liberally from his usual suspects. When those danger motif variations started appearing I was annoyed to no end in the theater and never reinvestigated the score on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I might skip this one too. I barely listen to the OST anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 The original album is a tedious experience - I don't think I've ever made it all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I think it is one of the better OST Horner has produced around this era. Ah the mystery has been solved. The only track missing from the OST is Troy. But it consists of two cues and a portion of one of them can be only heard in the film. So we're missing a 2 minutes or so of one cue altogether between the two albums. Apparently the missing material can be extracted from director's cut end credits. But I'm not that desperate. Karol - who still thinks people mislike the score purely because of politics behind it Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Karol, it's just not that good as either music or even Horner snack in-between. There are many boring synth carpets and directionless droning (not even speaking about the lesbian moaning that stretches really thin), the themes are OK at best and stolen, anyway. The pure presence of a big symphony orchestra and certain expected gestures do not make good music. This is a far cry even from 'The Four Feathers'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Have you no respect for the dead?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Sure i do, that's why i was protecting the War Requiem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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