Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Some blame at least must lay with the anemic material he's usually engaged to score. And, as always, prevailing tastes of the powers that be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Sure. I recently had the misfortune of seeing LAND OF THE LOST, where he was obviously asked to resemble Jerry Goldsmith scores from 60's and while it wasn't deep it was kind of fun. And different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 But you can't deny he's been offered his chances to demonstrate such prowess. One example is Let Me In, which could have really let him stretch his wings a bit, but ultimately another disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Good end title, drab score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I find the whole thing drab. Even the end credits aren't that great, putting on display again Giacchino's struggle with dramatic theme writing.The whole thing sounds like an amateur trying to play around with the tools that's worked for more seasoned horror pros like Young (ex. boy sopranos, pretty themes, various extended techniques, etc), but doesn't quite know what to do with them himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 That Giacchino can't act his way out of a paper bag compared to Chris Young in the horror genre shouldn't require a mention here. Young has done some forceful stuff even in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 But you can't deny he's been offered his chances to demonstrate such prowess. One example is Let Me In, which could have really let him stretch his wings a bit, but ultimately another disappointment.Good end title, drab score.I don't know gentlemen. It's not the kind of score I listen to a lot but I thought it was really well done.Love the freezing stillness of it. It felt genuinely creepy and it got into characters very well. Something guys like Christopher Young simply cannot do.As far as drama and themes of this film go, I'd say Giacchino did an ace job. One of his best scores, dramatically. Not as exciting on album.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 You must be joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 His ostinati writing has become pitiful. And while i still have a soft spot for RATATOUILLE and maybe two cues from UP, this is awfully slim pickens for a guy as productive as MG is.This. But some here will say such a pittance of a ratio is awesome and the next best thing to John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Love the freezing stillness of it. It felt genuinely creepy and it got into characters very well. Something guys like Christopher Young simply cannot do.As far as drama and themes of this film go, I'd say Giacchino did an ace job. One of his best scores, dramatically. Not as exciting on album.KarolI breezed through the movie - the swedish thing was much better - and found the music inoffensive but far from a huge accomplishment. There sure was too much of it doing hardly anything throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Love the freezing stillness of it. It felt genuinely creepy and it got into characters very well. Something guys like Christopher Young simply cannot do.I don't know. What you describe as "freezing stillness", I hear as a score with the right ingredients, but no sense of direction or intelligent craftsmanship. Granted I haven't actually seen the film, it really doesn't take much to work in a modern horror picture. But the actual writing as heard on album often leans on the bland side. Nothing that hasn't been done better before.That said, there are some neat moments in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Love the freezing stillness of it. It felt genuinely creepy and it got into characters very well. Something guys like Christopher Young simply cannot do.As far as drama and themes of this film go, I'd say Giacchino did an ace job. One of his best scores, dramatically. Not as exciting on album.KarolI breezed through the movie - the swedish thing was much better - and found the music inoffensive but far from a huge accomplishment. There sure was too much of it doing hardly anything throughout.Of course, the Swedish version is better. And it does so without much music at all.But, as far as American remakes go, this one wasn't too bad (pointless as it way). The would have overscored it anyway and, as far as these things go, I thought this was farily well done. It's a tough thing to score, if you think about it. And especially as done by western director.I probably like this score because it's one of the few challenges Giacchino set himself in his career. Most of his work, as enjoyable as it may be, doesn't really go a lot of places. Again, dramatically.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Feeling bewildered by Mr. Cremers rabid defense of overblown comic spectacles i stopped by at Spotify's recommendation of Debney's IRON MAN 2. Surprisingly, they went back to brawny Goldsmith 90's tunes, didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Yeah, it could have been a good score.If it could stick to one thing or two... not ten it tries to do at once.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBzl4q6f6QKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Strangely the same fate befell JNH's GREEN LANTERN (industrial rock mixed with a First Knightish fanfare). Maybe a devil's bargain...if you ant the Goldsmith-lite tune, we get the terrible rock music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Never bothered with that one, actually.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have to know, are most people on here just not familiar enough with MG's Lost to make a judgement on it, or do folks not like it? It's rarely mentioned in his defense as what it is, namely, his greatest accomplishment, and an admirable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I know croc is familiar with it, but KK hasn't listened to the scores (I think he did listen to a few samples here and there and liked them, though). Don't know about pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I'm honestly surprised at all the sudden Giacchino hate. I guess it's in the in thing these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have to know, are most people on here just not familiar enough with MG's Lost to make a judgement on it, or do folks not like it? It's rarely mentioned in his defense as what it is, namely, his greatest accomplishment, and an admirable one.From memory the Lost score was an attractive sound and quite lyrical, which is is unusual for Giacchino. I liked its overall aesthetic. But it absolutely wouldn't be what I'd be hoping for in a dinosaur adventure score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 LOST is alright for what it is, but it's small potatoes really. But yeah, probably Gia at his best, although I have a fondness for THE INCREDIBLES (never rated UP or RATATOUILLE though - too schmaltzy in that sickly Pixar way).I'm honestly surprised at all the sudden Giacchino hate. I guess it's in the in thing these days.That's what the Nolan fanboys said when the backlash started. The truth is most of the haters already felt that way--it just became more acceptable to voice their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have to know, are most people on here just not familiar enough with MG's Lost to make a judgement on it, or do folks not like it? It's rarely mentioned in his defense as what it is, namely, his greatest accomplishment, and an admirable one.From memory the Lost score was an attractive sound and quite lyrical, which is is unusual for Giacchino. I liked its overall aesthetic. But it absolutely wouldn't be what I'd be hoping for a dinosaur adventure score.The thing is, there's a lot of dense and savage material in there that I think would suit such a film nicely. But, can he retread that ground and do it with the same conviction? I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 LOST is alright for what it is, but it's small potatoes really. But yeah, probably Gia at his best, although I have a fondness for THE INCREDIBLES (never rated UP or RATATOUILLE though - too schmaltzy in that sickly Pixar way).I'm honestly surprised at all the sudden Giacchino hate. I guess it's in the in thing these days. That's what the Nolan fanboys said when the backlash started. The truth is most of the haters already felt that way--it just became more acceptable to voice their opinions.Lol this is a message board not the sociopolitical landscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It's dense and savage, but never scary. With Gia it always sounds like he's just having fun. There's never that icy intellect behind the music that you sense when Williams went atonal in the JURASSIC PARK films--the thing that made those moments chilling.Lol this is a message board not the sociopolitical landscape.We don't live in a vacuum. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Listening to a couple awesome finale cues. Sharky, that second one has some moments that I think are genuinely chilling. One of his best cues. Jacob's theme is haunting. And Ben's is excellent as well, even in the stripped down chord only version here. He used to be able to do that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have to know, are most people on here just not familiar enough with MG's Lost to make a judgement on it, or do folks not like it? It's rarely mentioned in his defense as what it is, namely, his greatest accomplishment, and an admirable one.Well, yeah.But I was talking about his film work. He's not had a chance to do a lot of dramatic work in it. Lost is something else.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Hanz Zimmer is Co scoring A.D. the Bible continues. If you can call that wretchedness scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have to know, are most people on here just not familiar enough with MG's Lost to make a judgement on it, or do folks not like it? It's rarely mentioned in his defense as what it is, namely, his greatest accomplishment, and an admirable one.I love it in context. It supports the show wonderfully and has it's own unique sound. Out of context, not so much. Then again, it doesn't really have to be a good listening experience to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Sharky, that second one has some moments that I think are genuinely chilling. One of his best cues. Jacob's theme is haunting. And Ben's is excellent as well, even in the stripped down chord only version here. He used to be able to do that well. I don't know why, but listening to those I grin and bob my head, but I never get that hopeless sinking feeling, sweaty palms or so on that I get when Williams does darkness. This is a great example. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Lady in the Water - James Newton HowardThe finest film score from 2006 imo!Btw,http://twitter.com/MNightShyamalan/status/587421035470946305A Djawadi fan. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Hanz Zimmer is Co scoring A.D. the Bible continues. If you can call that wretchedness scoring.What is it, an oud and a wailing woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Lady in the Water - James Newton HowardThe finest film score from 2006 imo!Btw,http://twitter.com/MNightShyamalan/status/587421035470946305A Djawadi fan.I like the theme too, but wouldn't call myself a Djawadi fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 http://twitter.com/MNightShyamalan/status/587421035470946305A Djawadi fan.Maybe he'll get Djawadi to score his next film (god forbid). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Hanz Zimmer is Co scoring A.D. the Bible continues. If you can call that wretchedness scoring. What is it, an oud and a wailing woman?It was the sound of guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Hanz Zimmer is Co scoring A.D. the Bible continues. If you can call that wretchedness scoring.What is it, an oud and a wailing woman?The sludge that Zimmer and co produced for the Bible miniseries was awful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 And yet I somehow doubt that the utterly outrageous productions deserved anything more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Well that never stopped Goldsmith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Zimmer should have left it at this. My favorite theme for the almighty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's definitely up there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Zimmer should have left it at this. My favorite theme for the almighty!Brilliant score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 And great songs too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 And great songs too!That too. I actually like TPOE a lot more than the more heralded Hans Zimmer animated score, The Lion King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Memoirs of a Geisha by John WilliamsLair by John DebneyEarthquake by John WilliamsLast Airbender by James Newton Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Empire of the Sun The Rocketeer The Amazing Spider-Man Not quite as memorable or exciting as the Elfman's score but loads better than the Zimmer/Pharrel Williams massacre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Last Airbender by James Newton HowardA slow burner. It's on from time to time and it's one of the few things from the 2010's i like to revisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Last Airbender by James Newton HowardA slow burner. It's on from time to time and it's one of the few things from the 2010's i like to revisit.Agreed. I was not entirely sold on it at first either and it took quite a long time for me to get behind the concept. JNH seemed to be in a very Zimmer "2-note theme" mode when he wrote this as his themes are very economic although he does develop his "avatar" theme well throughout. For some scores a single theme is enough, for this one I felt it could have used more and stronger ones to mirror the characters and the narrative as though the heroes receive a theme or two the villains were treated much more obscurely and get all sort of small devices throughout which feels to me a bit unfocused and JNHs underscore tends to meander here. Hearing the complete score with slightly added choral presence raised the score in my eyes and it fleshed out some of the ideas further. And yes it has surprisingly become one of those scores I come back to regularly, especially for the spectacle of Flow Like Water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The Last Airbender is great. One of my favorite JNH scores.Angela's Ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The Last Airbender is great. One of my favorite JNH scores.Angela's Ashes Angela's Ashes is great. One of my absolute favourite JW scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I'm honestly surprised at all the sudden Giacchino hate. I guess it's in the in thing these days.Agreed. What perplexes me is that everybody that picks on Giacchino seems to live in an alternate universe where he didn't write videogame scores (which are mostly brilliant), only the stuff for film and TV series.I would love him to return to his early sound, but likely that wouldn't work in today's productions.His music for Small Soldiers: The Videogame (before Medal of Honor) shows a creative and thematic style that he hasn't topped since. It's awesome and super fun ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I have no interest in his video game scores.Also I've been vocal about Gia for over a decade now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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