publicist 4,643 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Pub, you frequently use the descriptor "spherical." I think I know what you mean by it but I'd be interested to hear an explanation.I would describe it as a kind of light, shimmering, floating-in-space sound that has a kind of otherwordly quality to it. Often to be found in space-related scores of course, but also for musical translations of unusual state-of-mind's and such.Its just pompous posturing. To try and seem atleast faux intellectual. Typical Pub.Doesn't resonate with your plain meat-and-potatoes persona, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 An example of "spherical"? Obsession by BennieKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,337 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 An example of "spherical"? Obsession by Bennie Karol Mass Effect 2. (see clip above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 An example of "spherical"? Obsession by BennieKarolYou can try THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Spherical music post: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LLouDcGLEKc https://youtube.com/watch?v=VPioMXMc7IM publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 All but the Williams piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The subtle electric piano/synth doublings do it for me.As it turns out, spherical music is pretty much my favorite music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Though A. I.'s endless stream of incidental music in its first part qualifies more, i think. The Zimmer is a given, though a honourable mention (as far as film music goes) would be the the hypersleep sequence from ALIEN that manages that transcendent feeling without synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Quo Vadis - Miklos RozsaFantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Howard Shore - The Desolation of Smaug Well, I tried to. After a few tracks I had to switch to something else - I guess I'm still all "The Hobbit"ed out, need a break from these scores before returning. I guess this is why I've made no progress on the themes list, or the complete cue lists for all 3 scores. It's been like that for me since before the first Hobbit came out. I haven't even read Doug's book yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Me too. Haven't had much urge to return to them yet for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 City Hall by Jerry Goldsmith I've been listening to my new The River Wild disc, the Goldsmith one. I never had a copy of the old album, so I only knew the score from the documentary and from seeing the film once, long ago. It's mostly nothing special, but it has some nice City Hall-ish moments with that score's signature pounding timpani - sadly doubled by a somewhat goofy synth effect here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You know, I think BOFA and to an extent DOS are missing something that the first 4 scores in the franchise all had. To me, it seems lke Shore's heart just wasn't all-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yea, Empire isn't just his best Star Wars end credits suite, it might be his best end credits suite all around. You all have a point, but as much as I love ESB's suite, I think I like the one from Star Wars just as much. It's the most unified of all the suites, and of course it has Leia's theme. Plus I'm not fond of the Imperial March performance in ESB's credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Plus I'm not fond of the Imperial March performance in ESB's credits.Too powerful for you is it You know, I think BOFA and to an extent DOS are missing something that the first 4 scores in the franchise all had. To me, it seems lke Shore's heart just wasn't all-in.Me too. Haven't had much urge to return to them yet for whatever reason.Howard Shore - The Desolation of SmaugWell, I tried to. After a few tracks I had to switch to something else - I guess I'm still all "The Hobbit"ed out, need a break from these scores before returning. I guess this is why I've made no progress on the themes list, or the complete cue lists for all 3 scores.It's been like that for me since before the first Hobbit came out. I haven't even read Doug's book yet! You guys are all nuts! (cue Pub) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I always felt that The Imperial March portion of End Credits was better performed on Gerhardt album.And yeah, I'm Hobbited-out too for the time being. Need some other things after all this craziness.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well, I think it's fair to say that everyone involved wasn't nearly as invested in these films as the first time around, Shore included. It really comes through in the music, which is good but as Jason said lacks the sort of soul that made and makes the LOTR scores so compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Same for Han Solo and the Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Plus I'm not fond of the Imperial March performance in ESB's credits.Too powerful for you is it Too raw and dirty. If I want powerful, I put on Aboard the Executor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You know, I think BOFA and to an extent DOS are missing something that the first 4 scores in the franchise all had. To me, it seems lke Shore's heart just wasn't all-in.I agree with you... therefor I think I am redundant. Or maybe not?Shore must've understood that the new films aren't nowhere near the OT as filming went on. At least AUJ still had some great music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You guys are all nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You know, I think BOFA and to an extent DOS are missing something that the first 4 scores in the franchise all had. To me, it seems lke Shore's heart just wasn't all-in.I agree with you... therefor I think I am redundant. Or maybe not?Shore must've understood that the new films aren't nowhere near the OT as filming went on. At least AUJ still had some great music.Oh, all three Hobbit scorse feature some great music. And I am hoping the BOFA EE will change my mind about how Shore wrapped it all up (seems like some essential scenes were cut from the theatrical cut at the last minute, leading to their music getting axed from the OST CDs as well). I mean, the Smaug material is my favorite stuff from all three scores. But it's just missing..... something intangible, that LOTR and AUJ delivered in spades. And it's not that Pope conducted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 He was scoring lesser films.THE END! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You guys are all nuts!Of course we're nuts ! We're conversing on the internet by typing words in white boxes using avatars and made-up screen names for identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You know, I think BOFA and to an extent DOS are missing something that the first 4 scores in the franchise all had. To me, it seems lke Shore's heart just wasn't all-in.I feel like DOS had more of Shore's heart in it than AUJ. It was the score where his creative juices were really flowing, moreso than AUJ at least. BOFA seemed like Shore was writing out of his obligation to the franchise. But really, the whole trilogy doesn't have the same heart and spirit that could be heard in LOTR.All 3 scores offer great moments, but yes, I'm Hobbit-ed out at the moment too. Won't be revisiting them for a while, unless I get a sudden craving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I can't honestly say there are truly great moments in BOFA. It's entertaining enough, but I get much more enjoyment out of the previous two.I keep revisiting them (or rather my custom playlists). I can never get through the entire scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 BOTFA feels too much like a patchwork of themes and motifs rather then a cohesive musical work. Like all Shore did was just match whatever was going on on screen with whatever theme was most suitable.It also feels a lot like DOS vol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I can't honestly say there are truly great moments in BOFA.I can.Fire and Water 3:08-EndShores of the Long Lake 0:38, 1:22, and 2:01Beyond Sorrow and Grief 0:00Guardians of the Three 4:17-EndThe Ruins of Dale 0:00-EndThe Gathering of the Clouds 0:00-EndMithril 0:00-0:38, 2:01-endA Thief in the Night 0:00-0:31, 1:19-2:35The Clouds Burst All. Of. It.Battle for the Mountain 0:00 - 2:27The Darkest Hour 0:28-1:21, 2:15-EndSons of Durin All. Of. It.The Fallen 4:37-EndRavenhill 0:43-1:59, 2:27-EndTo The Death 1:30-2:52, 4:32-EndCourage and Wisdom 0:00-EndThe Return Journey 0:00-EndIronfoot 2:11-EndDragon-Sickness 0:00-EndIt also feels a lot like DOS vol. 2So basically, the fact that it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb bothers you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 And we're the ones who are nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Fire and Water is brilliant and as good as anything he wrote for the entire franchise.Should have been the climactic cue of Film 2 though, not the Film 3 prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Idiot! On all counts! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Idiot! On all counts!In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Plus I'm not fond of the Imperial March performance in ESB's credits.Too powerful for you is it Too raw and dirty.That's what she said...For me, raw and dirty is how the Imperial March (in it's militaristic form) is meant to sound. The End Credits at least beats the relatively bland album recording, which lacks the important crudity and mad zeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 John Willimas - Empire of the Sun (LLL)Haven't listened to this in a while now.... you know what? It's damn good!John Williams - The Lost World (OST)Goddamn, I love this, I love all of this. Despite my neverending desire for this in complete and chronological form, I have to say the OST as-is in indeed a nice listening experience. But still - please Universal, release this in full! It will sell! Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Idiot! On all counts!In what way?Nemesis is more than a 6/10 score. And his ranking of all of them is... obscene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Its just his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Oh, is it? My mistake then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I accept them fine. It's all the rest of you who can't accept when someone disagrees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I find his ranking of the scores perfectly acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Don't you like Generations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yeah, sure... Remember the Interstellar fiasco?That was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. People preaching tolerance of other opinions - as long as no one challenges their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes I do. But I'm perfectly willing to accept that not everyone shares my opinion Yeah, sure... Remember the Interstellar fiasco?That was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. People preaching tolerance of other opinions - as long as no one challenges their own.You were a real dick head there. And made a fool of yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Nah. But it's all been explained anyway. And I accept your opinion on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 No you don't. You are pretending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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