Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Wasn't that Chaac?It was probably me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You don't need to have read the comic.I would say once you've read the graphic novel, you don't really need to see the movie, seeing as I find it does not add anything to an already brilliant piece of art. Even the visualization is inferior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I tried to read it. Wasn't captivated by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think what Romao (and others) are trying to say is that you won't understand all the gripes and issues until you read the whole thing. It's bit more complicated than just plot and drawings style (that you might not like). There is an entire deliberate structure and rhythm to it. If that makes sense. No of which translates onto film very well. Say, Snyder might want to replicate certain panels very closely (like an angel figure just before Comedian's funeral, for instance) but it has no real meaning as the device in comic books has a deeper meaning and is a part of bigger structure. It's not really a storyboard in that sense, even if it might look like one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think Watchmen is the best comic-book film I've seen so far ...Yes, I think we should distinguish between the superhero movie genre and the comic book movie genre.Only me and Alex truly understand the film and have appraised it properly!Right Alex?I think I was the first JWfan member who got excited over Watchmen (after seeing the very first little teaser). Everybody else said, "Sure, Watchmen, but why did have to be Snyder?!" Those were the good ol' days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ok...How it's told is probably more (or at least just as) important than the actual plot itself. It's how this world is presented and how you, the reader, get an almost Dr Manhattan powers of seeing things at different levels simultaneously. If that makes sense.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 How it's told is probably more (or at least just as) important than the actual plot itself.That's exactly what I said to myself while I was watching the movie. Just like 300, cinematographically, Watchmen is constantly on '11', Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think Watchmen is the best comic-book film I've seen so far ...I never wrote that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You can thank the buggy quote function for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think Watchmen is the best comic-book film I've seen so far ... I never wrote thatIt's right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 For me, it's more of an admiration/disappointment kind of schizophrenia. As a mainstream blockbuster done by large studio, it's an experience like no other. In its class, probably among the best. As an adaptation to one of my favourite pieces of comics/literature, it's half-baked and bit tame. I could never embrace it unconditionally but will always encourage people to see it. And yeah, all versions.The bottom line is, Watchmen is Zack Snyder's best film. If only for the whole cheek of it.KarolI saw the bonus features on the DC blu-ray and to me the writers of the comic were very appreciative of the film adaptation. They stated what they meant to convey in the comic had successfully translated to the big screen.Or they were just praising to get new fans of the movie interested in reading it, that's also a possibility.I've never read this comic, or any comic just to be clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The writers of the comic? Are you really sure about what you really saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 He is well versed in the classics, Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The writers of the comic? Are you really sure about what you really saw?Maybe only Dave Gibbons (he is one of the creators right)? Not Alan Moore. I'm not so sure now, since it's been a while since I saw those features.Maybe it's my memory trying to romanticize it all, because in my head it's an awesome flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It was only Dave Gibbons. Moore wouldn't be caught dead promoting a thing like this crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think Watchmen is the best comic-book film I've seen so far ...I never wrote thatI believe that was me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It doesnt have your name though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 https://youtu.be/8El6AC7JXus Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 https://youtu.be/8El6AC7JXusClassic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It was only Dave Gibbons. Moore wouldn't be caught dead promoting a thing like thisMoore wouldn't do that. The film could have been an utter masterpiece and he still wouldn't accept it or even watch it. DC Comics offered both artists their right back to the property (and V for Vendetta) back in the 1980's. That was after the initial print run. At the time, books would go out of print almost straight away. But DC never intended to have Watchmen go out of print. And so he never got rights to it as promised and stopped working with the company (owned by WB) altogether. At some point, in the late 90's he worked in WildStorm imprint for a bit, but DC bought that too. So he took away what he owned and now is publishing only with independent smaller companies and owns the rights to handful of his creations. He mostly works at the margins at the moment and on different smaller projects. He starts to talk about Watchmen and comic at around 14:12: He's a sound bloke. I've always like his sense of humour.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The LOTR films are great on their own, but do they really get into the subtextual richness of the original work?More than I'd thought possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The films are stunningly "true" to the book. Nobody really expected that to happen. It's the reason Jackson had deity status among the fans for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 They become less true to the book with each film though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 That's why I used "". The deviations were many throughout the trilogy, but that didn't ever undermine the rich feeling of watching pure Tolkien as the story unfolded. Helped in no small part by Howard Shore, who seemed to channel the professor's prose as if he were being personally guided by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The Tribe. A 2014 neo-silent Ukrainian film about a school for deaf youngsters and their criminal activities. Really upsetting and grim. But can't help but marvel its efficient cinematic storytelling. Quite rare.Karol publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 That's why I used "".The deviations were many throughout the trilogy, but that didn't ever undermine the rich feeling of watching pure Tolkien as the story unfolded. Helped in no small part by Howard Shore, who seemed to channel the professor's prose as if he were being personally guided by him.Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The LOTR are only true to the books on a basic plot level: situation A leads to situation B. I don't think the same spirit is there...at all, apart perhaps the Shadow of the Past sequence, which remains the highlight of the whole movie trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 https://youtu.be/8El6AC7JXusClassic.Has Drax seen this? He's going to be thrilled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Verhoeven's sci-fi films never age well visually.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Sure, but who ever watched Verhoeven movies for the way they looked? He's all about the swearing, violence, satire and boobies! The LOTR are only true to the books on a basic plot level: situation A leads to situation B. I don't think the same spirit is there...at all, apart perhaps the Shadow of the Past sequence, which remains the highlight of the whole movie trilogyFor me, the consistent "spirit" of Tolkien is the whole reason the films worked and felt respectful of the source despite the alternations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Sure, but who ever watched Verhoeven movies for the way they looked? He's all about the swearing, violence, satire and boobies!Ummm...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Go on then, spit it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 His American movies are always funny and satirical ... except for Hollow Man maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I like Verhoeven's films because they perfectly represent the character of the man himself.The first time I saw an interview with him it made perfect sense that he was the man behind Robocop and Flesh + Blood, making even his big budget Hollywood stuff, quite personal in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I know what you're saying. The interviews with him are always entertaining. He sorta has an over-the-top personality, something you recognize in his movies as well, they all have that 'Verhoeven flair'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Dutch pride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Are you saying you recognize Steef in Robocop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I like Verhoeven's films because they perfectly represent the character of the man himself.I don't put it that way, but you basically just said the same thing as me in a different way. First and foremost he was at a time the most cynical director working in Hollywood and that showed in the way he handled satire. The uber violence, language and tits were perfect excesses of that... and ultimately proved his undoing with Showgirls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Showgirls failed because it failed to give the audience an ulterior motif for watching it. Unlike Basic Instinct it wasnt a thriller or murder mystery, it was "just" sexploitation.Quite a daring film in a way. And quite the hit in the home video market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Literally only because of its high profile dressing down and aforementioned boobies.Daring? Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 It was a pretty daring and interesting experiment making what is essentially a 90's direct-to-video softcore movie with a big budget, reputable actors and polished production.Certainly it was better then Madonna's attempt, Body Of Evidence.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Maybe. I made it through about half of the movie. I just thought it was tacky smut, like any number of other low rent straight to video 'adult' thrillers. Verhoeven and his buddy Joe Eszterhas got too self indulgent, even by their standards. And Showgirls didn't have the benefit of a classy Goldsmith score to gloss it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Very true.Gotta give respect to Verhoeven for picking up his Razzie in person though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Well, he'd have been a hypocrite not to Did Eszterhas get nominated that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yes he did, and he won. Showgirls did a bit of a clean sweep with 13 noms and 7 wins that year. It was the Return Of The King of it's year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Did he collect, was my main question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Not as far as i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 https://youtu.be/8El6AC7JXus Classic. Has Drax seen this? He's going to be thrilled!I've seen this movie before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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