#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I know, I know. I just find the cost disgusting. They didn't even have to make the film, just convert it to 3D. Obvious revenue benefits aside, you can't justify those figures. It's symptomatic of the greed at the rotten heart of Hollywood.What? They spend 18 million, but because of that the conversion is outstanding. Cameron NEVER....EVER does anything fast and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 the conversion is the absolute finest conversion ever to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Cameron always pushes the enveloppe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I'm all for re-releasing the greats. I'm just massively turned off if ridiculously vulgar extravagances are part of what it takes to get it back up there. The profits involved are besides the point. I'm not going to pay a builder 500,000k to clean up the exterior wall of my house.I know, I know. I just find the cost disgusting. They didn't even have to make the film, just convert it to 3D. Obvious revenue benefits aside, you can't justify those figures. It's symptomatic of the greed at the rotten heart of Hollywood.What? They spend 18 million, but because of that the conversion is outstanding. Cameron NEVER....EVER does anything fast and cheap.You have no concept about what I'm talking about. They paid 18mil for a 3D conversion on a movie. Eighteen. Million. Think about it.Anyway, I'm bored with that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Just caught the last hour of Lawrence of Arabia, what an epic film. Not epic but EPIC.When you hear people describe a film as epic I automatically think back to this movie and Ben Hur. These are epics.Maurice Jarre's ticket to Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I'm all for re-releasing the greats. I'm just massively turned off if ridiculously vulgar extravagances are part of what it takes to get it back up there. The profits involved are besides the point. I'm not going to pay a builder 500,000k to clean up the exterior wall of my house.You payed a small fortune for an overpriced gadget like an iPad, and an iPhone was not enough...nooooo sir needed a Samsung Galaxy.Please don't lecture other people about vulgar extravagance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I couldn't even provide a desk and a couple of chairs with that sort of money. Let alone a school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Spare me your communist twaddle, you Lib Dem scum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I was gonna call you a capitalist bastard earlier, but I remembered you're skint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 when James Cameron is the government then you have a legitimate gripe, until then it's just a man spending money wisely to make more money. clearly he had an audience as the film has a healthy viewership for a 15 year old movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 a 15 year old movie made nearly as much as John Carter did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Like I said, I'm not talking about the excellent revenue involved. Although I do think there's a strong degree of cynical business thinking in terms of Cameron's motivations - of course he realised there's a large tasteless audience out there who would lap up the sight of a real-life tragedy, re-enacted... in 3D. Don't forget to bring your glasses! Gasp as the dead baby floats past you so close you could almost touch it! What we need next is Schindler's List 3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 No, and don't be an idiot here, you know exactly what we're talking about. I'd give Night of the Hunter 4 out of 4 stars. It's worthy but it has moments that are not as good as other. At least the children's acting was superior to the overrated film To Kill A Mockingbird which gets alot of perfect scores but it features some truly horrific child acting, some of the worst ever in a big film.I'm not denying that there's not a perfect film out there, just trying to clarify Steef's rating. I just find it odd to say something isn't perfect but to give it a perfect rating.I need to post less, should have stayed away longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think it's quite daring. The film is 15 years old, the hype is long gone and a lot of people gripe about the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 People are fascinated with Titanic the ship, not Titanic the movie. That's why the film remains successful. Of course, it is a very good movie nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 No, and don't be an idiot here, you know exactly what we're talking about. I'd give Night of the Hunter 4 out of 4 stars. It's worthy but it has moments that are not as good as other. At least the children's acting was superior to the overrated film To Kill A Mockingbird which gets alot of perfect scores but it features some truly horrific child acting, some of the worst ever in a big film.I'm not denying that there's not a perfect film out there, just trying to clarify Steef's rating. I just find it odd to say something isn't perfect but to give it a perfect rating.I need to post less, should have stayed away longer.no you should post more, you're a much better poster than you used to be and this place is better with you than without you. And when the zombie apocalypse arrives you can shove indy4 into the path of a zombies, and then one of us can shove you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 The last time I watched it was around late 1999. I'm afraid to revisit it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 why?the thing I find hilarious is that so many people talk about the screenplay. Basically it's their only argument, and it's not even theirs. They don't have their own thoughts, they're just talking heads running their mouths with someone elses statement and one that is often poorly backed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It might have something to do with what you just say. Or maybe I'm afraid to see it now, being a bit older.TBH I don't even remember the film that well. One thing that stuck in my head is the iceberg sequence. From what I remember it was very well done and Horner's clanging percussion was a big part of that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,378 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 People are fascinated with Titanic the ship, not Titanic the movie. That's why the film remains successful. Of course, it is a very good movie nonetheless.I'm fascinated with both. The movie certainly inspired me to learn about the reality of the thing. But I still love Cameron's take, which plays up the myths of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 why?the thing I find hilarious is that so many people talk about the screenplay. Basically it's their only argument, and it's not even theirs. They don't have their own thoughts, they're just talking heads running their mouths with someone elses statement and one that is often poorly backed up.Cameron's script get the job done and it is rich with conviction. That is why it works. Yes it's cheesy at times and yes it's simplistic, but those things are its strength - the dialogue is true to the spirit of the deeply romantic and honest story.You just get dickheads who want The Wire on a boat. Just so they can smile at their own reflection in the washroom after the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Cameron's script get the job done and it is rich with conviction. That is why it works. Yes it's cheesy and yes it's simplistic, but those things are its strength - the dialogue is true to the spirit of the deeply romantic story.You just get dickheads who want The Wire on a boat.There was a boat in the second season of The Wire, you know. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Jesus, I just had a horrible thought - imagine if Chris Nolan had made Titanic. Can you imagine the plot?! Ugh, it'd be a friggin' nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 One thing that stuck in my head is the iceberg sequence. From what I remember it was very well done and Horner's clanging percussion was a big part of that.KarolThe scenes after are even better. With an almost Hitchcock like suspense. We know the ship is doomed, they don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 The part Karol mentioned is still scored by one of Horner's best action cues ever, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's nice to see other people not hating on the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,306 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I saw this when I was a kid and I can only remember fragmented images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 well Alex, Publicist and Prometheus are probably sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,319 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I rewatched Titanic a few months ago, and I was struck by I've always thought was one of Cameron's great strengths; the movie is incredibly well paced. It's totally engrossing, in spite of the vulgar script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Lol at Merkel call the script vulgar without an ounce of reasoning behind his comment.in other words be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,429 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 No, and don't be an idiot here, you know exactly what we're talking about. I'd give Night of the Hunter 4 out of 4 stars. It's worthy but it has moments that are not as good as other. At least the children's acting was superior to the overrated film To Kill A Mockingbird which gets alot of perfect scores but it features some truly horrific child acting, some of the worst ever in a big film.I'm not denying that there's not a perfect film out there, just trying to clarify Steef's rating. I just find it odd to say something isn't perfect but to give it a perfect rating.I need to post less, should have stayed away longer.Please stay. I think the discrepency is just a limitation of a 4 star scale. If he was rating from 1 to 10, he probably would have given it a 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 well Alex, Publicist and Prometheus are probably sleeping.I was, but TITANIC isn't anywhere on my anger-list. I'm not the biggest fan of Horner's tin whistles and fake choirs but you have to take the good with the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 a 15 year old movie made nearly as much as John Carter didI want to see this movie just because of the distruption it caused with Disney Studio management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,565 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button:Two things that struck me during the film:1) It felt like a Spielberg film. After the movie, the names of the producers Frank Marchall and Kathleen Kennedy appear on the screen.2) I liked the score and I wondered who the composer was. After the movie, the name of Alexander Desplat appeared on the screen. It's the third time that this is happening to me. I notice the music, I like it, and each time it turns out to be Desplat. It happened with The Ghost Writer (I thought it was the best thing about the film) and it happened again with The King's Speech. Desplat's melodies often reminds me of John Williams. My favorite film/score moment is when old man and young girl are playing under the table.The film itself is 'meh'. I mean, it's good but just not good enough. It's a variation on Forrest Gump.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It is such an empty film.well Alex, Publicist and Prometheus are probably sleeping.I was, but TITANIC isn't anywhere on my anger-list. I'm not the biggest fan of Horner's tin whistles and fake choirs but you have to take the good with the bad.The thing about Horner's music is not that's it's the best composition in the world (it obviously isn't), but you have to admit it's hard to separate the film and its score. While some strange choices have been made (synths, bagpipes), It's almost a perfect marriage.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It is such an empty film.well Alex, Publicist and Prometheus are probably sleeping.I was, but TITANIC isn't anywhere on my anger-list. I'm not the biggest fan of Horner's tin whistles and fake choirs but you have to take the good with the bad.The thing about Horner's music is not that's it's the best composition in the world (it obviously isn't), but you have to admit it's hard to separate the film and its score. While some strange choices have been made (synths, bagpipes), It's almost a perfect marriage.KarolCeline Dion ruined the score for me, My Heart Will Go On blasting from everywhere around the time the film was in the cinemas. I know the score has much more than the love theme but as soon as I hear first strains of it I tend to want to stop listening. Shame really since e.g. the departure music is pretty inventive Enya styled uplifting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm the same. I can't listen to it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Did Bryan Adams ruin Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves for you as well? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Did Bryan Adams ruin Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves for you as well? KarolA bit if I tell you the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 No. That song (and melody) is still perfectly good and not cringy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 No. That song (and melody) is still perfectly good and not cringy.I generally do not like Kamen's injections of those Bryan Adams songs into his scores like in Robin Hood, Don Juan DeMarco and Three Musketeers. Robin Hood is the least offensive of those though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Didn't the score get written alongside Kamen' song (as sang by Adams)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Didn't the score get written alongside Kamen' song (as sang by Adams)?Indeed they were a collaboration between Kamen and Adams. I guess it is the subconscious music snob in me that thinks those songs cheapen the score since, to coin a phrase from Datameister, they rub me the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,520 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Did you know that these two songs are some of the biggest pop singles ever?That explains hate.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,801 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Did you know that these two songs are some of the biggest pop singles ever?That explains hate.KarolYes I knew it and so it makes sense why my inner music snob shuns them. Crass commercial success. Who needs it? Only boors that try to appeal to the masses enjoy such when true artistes toil and suffer in anonimity and penury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 To be fair to Kamen, Adams is NOT Celine Dion. She's the veritable queen of cheesy music, so it's little wonder a great many can't stand My Heart Will Go On, justifiably so. I appreciate Horner's strong composition and the song does remain a guilty pleasure for me, but I wouldn't take issue with anyone who told me they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's a great belter of a song!Some people take things way to seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,449 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It certainly couldn't have been put to a better suited movie, that's for sure.Anyway, I watched Red State. Started out as a really good grindhouse movie, the setup was perfect, but unfortunately it spent up early on on its genuinely gripping surprises and before long turned into just another shootout movie. Still, the first 45 mins are very impressive, coming from Kevin Smith. I'd like to see him dabble more outside of his comfort zone if this is what he's capable of. Nice to see John Goodman, too. 3/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,415 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Lol at Merkel call the script vulgar without an ounce of reasoning behind his comment.in other words be specific.Joe, i mentioned some specifics in my review. Do you agree with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,565 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's a great belter of a song!Some people take things way to seriouslyWithin the context of the film, I'm sure it's meant to be extremely seriously. At least, it's what I think most fans of the film and the music are taking it. I knew by hearing the song that the film was for a very broad audience and not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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