Hlao-roo 389 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 In the sense that Rosza's Ben Hur, Debney's Cutthroat Island or Horner's Willow are 'BIG' scores and Williams' Stanley And Iris or Horner's The Spitfire Grill are 'small' scores, what is Williams' smallest score..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Rosewood, perhaps?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,265 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Missouri Breaks was scored for 12 instruments if memory serves.Rosewood uses a full orchestra, so I wouldn't call it small... not in instrumentals forces used and not in the soundscape it conjures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Small in the sense that it uses few instruments? Or small in the sense that it has had little impact on the listener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The Long Goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Presumed Innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The Long GoodbyeWhy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It just feels very small and intimate, especially being diegetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It just feels very small and intimate, especially being diegetic.Hmmm, I haven't listened to this score, so I can't say one way or the other... It just occurred to me, Schindler's List has no brass section at all, does it? So in terms of orchestra, it's quite a small score... and yet, in terms of impact, it was HUGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Conrack I think, it's a small ensemble and not many notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Schindler's List definitely have brass. It does not feature trumpets however, a choice JW often makes when scoring dramas (Angela's Ashes, Munich).As for JW's smallest score, I think Missouri Breaks and Conrack are probably the ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Schindler's List definitely have brass. It does not feature trumpets however, a choice JW often makes when scoring dramas (Angela's Ashes, Munich).I just couldn't think of any "brassy" section off the top of my head... where do we hear trombones or the tuba?The horn we hear at the beginning of Schindler's Workforce, yes. But other than that...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 On Schindler's List JW uses horns mostly to double strings and woodwinds, or to sustain/enrich the harmonies. They're never used in fanfare-like fashion because, well, the film doesn't need that. A few cues feature also parts for trumpets and trombones.But there are brass all over the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I am looking for examples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Well, there are numerous examples, I'm not able to make a full list right now. Just listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 From what I remember there are at least no trombones in the main title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The main title at least has no brass section at all.http://www.sheetmusi...s-List/18101373Oh yeah, in "Making the List"... brass features briefly in the background... from 1:30 onward. What is that? Trombones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Horns are definitely there in several cues (Give Me Your Names even has a touching horn solo).Trumpets and trombones are featured only in few cues (Schindler's Workforce) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yes, you're right! Ok, so then Schindler's List is not a small score... in any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 THE SUGARLAND EXPRESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,553 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Again a topic that suffers from not being specific enough. What is 'small', anyway? Number of instruments used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Pretty much, I guess. Scope too, though that's a little vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I think Dracula has a very short running time on the album. Does that count as small too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9d-ZGBRxGQ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Ladd Company logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Long Goodbye. I think that one beats all others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,553 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Long Goodbye. I think that one beats all others.Really? I think there are quite a few instruments used in that, as the theme is performed by various ensembles of various sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Again a topic that suffers from not being specific enough. What is 'small', anyway? Number of instruments used?In the sense that Rosza's Ben Hur, Debney's Cutthroat Island or Horner's Willow are 'BIG' scores and Williams' Stanley And Iris or Horner's The Spitfire Grill are 'small' scores, what is Williams' smallest score..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,553 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 So somewhat of a subjective idea, then. Seems to be more a difference between 'bombasticism' and 'softspoken drama' in your sense. But that means you can have huge orchestral forces for softspoken dramas (LEGENDS OF THE FALL) as well as a minimum of instruments for big, fat, bombastic sounds (TRON LEGACY). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,589 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Long Goodbye. I think that one beats all others.Really? I think there are quite a few instruments used in that, as the theme is performed by various ensembles of various sizes.There are, and there's also some incidental music heard at the end of the film. Remember that "Hooray For Hollywood" was niether scored, nor adapted by J.W.If you ,mean small "physically", then Miguel's right; it would be "The Missouri Breaks". If you mean "emotionally", then it's either "The Accidental Tourist", "Pete 'N' Tillie", "Conrack","Cinderella Liberty",or "Stanley And Iris". I'd go with "Pete 'N' Tillie".I know it is not as score as such, but "Cantina Band" only had 4 players.E.T.'s suggestion of the Ladd Company logo, is interesting. Does anyone know exactly what it was scored for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,553 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Long Goodbye. I think that one beats all others.Really? I think there are quite a few instruments used in that, as the theme is performed by various ensembles of various sizes.There are, and there's also some incidental music heard at the end of the film. Remember that "Hooray For Hollywood" was niether scored, nor adapted by J.W.If you ,mean small "physically", then Miguel's right; it would be "The Missouri Breaks". If you mean "emotionally", then it's either "The Accidental Tourist", "Pete 'N' Tillie", "Conrack","Cinderella Liberty",or "Stanley And Iris". I'd go with "Pete 'N' Tillie".I know it is not as score as such, but "Cantina Band" only had 4 players.E.T.'s suggestion of the Ladd Company logo, is interesting. Does anyone know exactly what it was scored for?For the Ladd company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,265 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 There are, and there's also some incidental music heard at the end of the film. Remember that "Hooray For Hollywood" was niether scored, nor adapted by J.W.If you ,mean small "physically", then Miguel's right; it would be "The Missouri Breaks". If you mean "emotionally", then it's either "The Accidental Tourist", "Pete 'N' Tillie", "Conrack","Cinderella Liberty",or "Stanley And Iris". I'd go with "Pete 'N' Tillie".I know it is not as score as such, but "Cantina Band" only had 4 players.E.T.'s suggestion of the Ladd Company logo, is interesting. Does anyone know exactly what it was scored for?Actually, in The Long Goodbye there are some parts that use less than the 12 players in The Missouri Breaks. And the incidental cue in the end of The Long Goodbye sounds "small"...Emotionally wise, there are parts of Cinderella Liberty that don't sound that small, at least for me. In that respect, I would go with the wonderful scores for Martin Ritt or then Accidental Tourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Even when working with a small ensemble Williams never really sounds "small".I never get the feeling there's anything missing. Even with a 4 player piece like Air and Simple Gifts. The way he layers instruments, it just always sounds full-bodied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Even when working with a small ensemble Williams never really sounds "small".I never get the feeling there's anything missing. Even with a 4 player piece like Air and Simple Gifts. The way he layers instruments, it just always sounds full-bodied.Yeah, or his great Devil's Dance arrangment for violin and piano only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Even when working with a small ensemble Williams never really sounds "small".I never get the feeling there's anything missing. Even with a 4 player piece like Air and Simple Gifts. The way he layers instruments, it just always sounds full-bodied.Yeah, or his great Devil's Dance arrangment for violin and piano only.Also his recent La Jolla Quartet is a great example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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