WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 JoinAR- this is unrelated, but the signature for your account is perfectππ π Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It's dreadful.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Strictly, as a "conductor", not conducting his own compositions, these two albums are I think, among hisΒ best ones: Β WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 12 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: So just because Williams doesn't have his name on some list of "Greatest recordings"of a certain work, doesn't make him not worth his salt as a conductor. So the wide gulf I would describe as salesmanship, ignorance, jealousy, and this snobby purist, elitist attitude which is a combination of all those things. And that's really a shame, because just about every other genre of music doesn't have this problem, nor pretty much any other realm of art or creative areas. You don't see people knocking Frank Gehry for his buildings not being in a traditional vain, or that his buildings are not acceptable because he had never designed something like the Roman Colosseum. Β So what are the repertoire pieces that are not 'Imperial March' et al. that you recommend as especially vibrant examples of JW conducting where others, maybe more famous ones, have delivered less stellar interpretations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Isn't his version of The Planets average at best? Β Great conductors don't because laureates at the Boston Pops. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Isn't his version of The Planets average at best? Β On some classical web sites itβs among the recommended versions. Jurassic Shark and WilliamsStarShip2282 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Isn't his version of The Planets average at best? Β Yes.Β But the competition is Stiff.Β Here is a comprehensive rating of the recordings of the Planets.Β The Dutoit/Montreal is an excellent choice for No. 1, very good interpretation, detailed, and mighty in its power.Β https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/ Β I've heard about 50 of the recordings on the list and pretty much can't fault the ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, karelm said: The ο»Ώο»Ώο»ΏDutoitο»Ώ/ο»ΏMontreal is an excellentο»Ώ choice for No. 1, Β That's such a clichΓ© view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Williams is at 67. Beating Bernard Herrmann... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think he's basically asking for a heavy piece, like Mahler or Wagner, which doesn't exist and I already explained why. I guess my explanation is Fake News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 hours ago, karelm said: Β Yes.Β But the competition is Stiff.Β Β I see what you did there! airmanjerm and karelm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 hours ago, publicist said: Williams is at 67. Beating Bernard Herrmann... Β And Lorin Maazel, Roger Norrington and Holst himself.Β Sorry your shit didn't work.Β And. This list must be The Truth. Β WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Do you stand by it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Nope. Lists are stupid.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 All art must be quantified! WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On β3β/β15β/β2012 at 8:58 AM, JoeinAR said: So how good is John as a conductor, and not just his own music? Β Speaking as someone who used to be a professional musician (trumpet) many years ago, I'd say you have to be a pretty good performer to play under Williams because his conducting from what I've seen isn't very technically accurate. That doesn't matter, though, given the high level of talent in the musicians he works with. I think a more amateur orchestra would have a tough time following his style. Β Having said that, I have noticed that JW's conducting style on stage vs. how he conducts during recording sessions is different. He's much more technical on the soundstage, whereas I think I he conducts more for the audience on the concert stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 There's also the fact that once on stage he's rehearsed and much of the technical stuff is over with. Β It's no secret that conductors are often way more showy on stage, because they can afford to be. Β The hard work has already been done. Β When recording, it's all rehearsal and it all has to be done right with no showboating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 So? Is he good?Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I don't really know, I've never performed with him, but from listening, watching, and hearing what musicians who have say, I think he's obviously competent but not like a superstar or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Really not know but very strong opinion. Fucker and idiot.Β The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Quote Really not know but very strong opinion. Fucker and idiot.Β Β Holy shit dude. Β You have to get a grip. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 And you have to get a life!!Β Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, hornist said: And you have to get a life!!Β Β As always these arguments end up speaking for themselves, revealing no useful insights or truth about the subject at hand, but plenty about the people involved - including you, once again, Jurassic Shark. Β Pretty damn sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Is this guy autistic? I've suspected such. Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: Is this guy autistic? I've suspected such. Β Β I really don't know what the deal is with a few people on here and it's not really my place to speculate about it, I just wish it wouldn't pollute this place so much.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 .Β Β Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I have AspergerΒ myself (or is it AspergerS? Can I refer to myself as an Aspergian? Automatic spell check insists I can't :P), so I was just curious. This guy's a wacko, but I'm he's entertaining at least! 3 minutes ago, TGP said: Β I really don't know what the deal is with a few people on here and it's not really my place to speculate about it, I just wish it wouldn't pollute this place so much.Β Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Edit Β The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Cripes, what the hell is the matter with people?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 You sound more drunk than usual hornist...hope someone's keeping their eye on you during the London meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Are you not going either KK? Β Not so bummed if I'm not the only one. Β To add insult to injury the trip we did have planned to London this week has been moved back so I probably could have done it after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 hours ago, KK said: You sound more drunk than usual hornist...hope someone's keeping their eye on you during the London meet! Domestic problems. Now solved. In London I'm going to behave my normal lovely way.Β Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 59 minutes ago, hornist said: Domestic problems. Now solved. In London I'm going to behave my normal lovely way.Β Β I hope you didn't solve it Rear Window-style... Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 More like Body Double-style...Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 The plot thickens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 hours ago, TGP said: Are you not going either KK? Β Not so bummed if I'm not the only one. Β To add insult to injury the trip we did have planned to London this week has been moved back so I probably could have done it after all. Β Alas, no. Β A few of us had a Spain/Italy trip planned around this time too so I could have worked around that, but that had to get pushed back due to conflicts.Β Β Williams and JWFan just needs to come to Toronto! The Illustrious Jerry and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Toronto anytime! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I go to New England, so there's little point for me of going to Canada. Its basically the same. Just more hockey. The Illustrious Jerry and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Bespin said: Toronto anytime! Let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 No one ever comes to Texas...:(Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It is too hot down here most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I thought it was nice. Canada's climate is not all that...consistent. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It's currently 64 degrees here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: No one ever comes to Texas...:(Β Β "There are no points of interest in Texas!" - @King Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: Β "There are no points of interest in Texas!" - @King Mark There are a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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