Howard Shore's The Battle of the Five Armies (Hobbit Part 3)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yep

[Incanus 5,716]

As Doug already answered in Twitter to someone on these issues in AUJ. Facilitating the scoring process by changing his original intentions to what the director wanted. Not uncommon at all.

Use of the Nazgûl theme=tying Azog very obviously to Sauron, making the scene be about the bad guy and not about the hero as in the original intention, the chant sounding epic.

Gondor Reborn=Pure emotional gut reaction of the swelling theme, no thematic relation, evoking of nostalgia and fuzzy warm feelings.

The Eagle Rescue's Nature's Reclamation=Completing the phrase hinted at in Out of the Frying-Pan, giving the audience a familiar musical jolt, temp-tracking the moment with Isengard Unleashed/Theoden Rides Forth.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That would not leave enough room for the synth mock ups, and the interviews

[MedigoScan 324]

besides with AUJ some of the alternates might not even be alternates but just stuff that was added for the movie's longer runtime (Like Bilbo rescuing Thorin)

there would be no reason to not give us those tracks

so I am not sure what you count as 45 minutes

besides, basically we got a lot of Shore's original intention already.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Could have been simply a place holder cue signifying the desire for grand choral music.

[Jay 37,374]

Actually, does any of the DOS EE cues feature alternate music for one of the TC cues?

Mirkwood and The World Of Men. Luckily, we already got their TC versions in full on the OST.

[Incanus 5,716]

That would not leave enough room for the synth mock ups, and the interviews

Especially the interviews!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Wrong! In the case of AUJ the Eagles music was one of the best and the one cue who's omission from the OST was lamented. You cannot omit it on the CR also.

As inappropriate as the Nazgul cue is. It is a bitchin' arrangement and I want it!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

No it wasnt!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You take that back! You big poopy head!

Don't trust Alvar...he's a villain!

[Incanus 5,716]

Calm down guys! For Christmas' sake!

Speaking of which I am going on a little holiday tomorrow. A short one and I think I shall return. In fact I mean to.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Incanus 5,716]

I honestly never understood why people are crazy about this cue. This is the most generic Middle-Earth music ever got!

I mean, I can understand in Stiff's case (the guy loved Zimmer's Interstellar, for fuck's sake!), but others like KK and Inky... What happened to you, guys? Oh, wait... KK liked Interstellar too... So what happened to you, Inky?

I never said I liked the Azog VS Thorin re-score BBoal. However I love the album version with the dwarven chant and wish that it had been in the film. It is badass! I only like the new Nature's Reclamation statement in AUJ for the eagles rescue scene although think the cue is a tad too similar to the Theoden Rides Forth in its contours.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's the only one of the re-used themes in the final act that is actually thematically appropriate

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[MedigoScan 324]

I honestly never understood why people are crazy about this cue. This is the most generic Middle-Earth music ever got!

I mean, I can understand in Stiff's case (the guy loved Zimmer's Interstellar, for fuck's sake!), but others like KK and Inky... What happened to you, guys? Oh, wait... KK liked Interstellar too... So what happened to you, Inky?

Nothing wrong with liking Interstellar

[Incanus 5,716]

It's the only one of the re-used themes in the final act that is actually thematically appropriate

Yes that's also true! And as I have said before the statement prior to it in the scene begs for a resolution of the Nature's Reclamation in a grand statement for the eagles.

[KK 3,307]

I honestly never understood why people are crazy about this cue. This is the most generic Middle-Earth music ever got!

I mean, I can understand in Stiff's case (the guy loved Zimmer's Interstellar, for fuck's sake!), but others like KK and Inky... What happened to you, guys? Oh, wait... KK liked Interstellar too... So what happened to you, Inky?

I never said I liked it either. I just like the choral lament (even though that in itself is kind of ripped from the pages of TTT).

I can't find myself to like the Nature's Reclamation statement very much either. I mean it's good, but it's clear that all of it was just part of minor alterations to "Theoden Rides Forth". I'll never forgive Shore for it!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I'll never forgive Shore for it!

You are joking, I trust?

[Incanus 5,716]

I honestly never understood why people are crazy about this cue. This is the most generic Middle-Earth music ever got!

I mean, I can understand in Stiff's case (the guy loved Zimmer's Interstellar, for fuck's sake!), but others like KK and Inky... What happened to you, guys? Oh, wait... KK liked Interstellar too... So what happened to you, Inky?

I never said I liked it either. I just like the choral lament (even though that in itself is kind of ripped from the pages of TTT).

I can't find myself to like the Nature's Reclamation statement very much either. I mean it's good, but it's clear that all of that was just alterations to "Theoden Rides Forth". I'll never forgive Shore for it!

It was probably written 3 am after a day of recording and the sessions were drawing to a close and he had to do something quickly.

[KK 3,307]

Yeah, poor fellow.

I'll never forgive Shore for it!

You are joking, I trust?

Yes, yes. You've robbed my hyperbole of its dramatic effect though. Thanks a lot!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

If only Pope had been involved at that time!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[MedigoScan 324]

Now now, lets not get Fallacious

edit: besides, unshore-like or not, I want that Nazgul theme

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Incanus 5,716]

I actually agree now that the Hobbit complete recordings should use Shore's intentions. This way we'll get a six set of complete middle earth scores which make thematic sense. The film alternates could come in a bonus disc for the CRs, or with the book.

Let's just hope the CRs become a reality in the future!

[MedigoScan 324]

though again I wonder what would constitute a CR for AUJ when the movie was edited with so much after the 2>3 movie change

[Jay 37,374]

What does that have to do with anything?

It's not like any music for scenes taking place after the Carrock where ever recorded.

[MedigoScan 324]

I was more talking about scenes that (I think) were recorded and scored after the 3movie split

like Bilbo saving Thorin from Azog

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Obviously a CR would most likely follow the EE cut of the film. With ocassional alterations suggested by Shore.

[MedigoScan 324]

it would be worth it for all the restored microedits alone

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[gkgyver 1,645]

Dain's theme was in the theatrical version as well. What was the question anyway?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

There was none.

[Jay 37,374]

Of course there was a question:

https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/545657272308097024

[gkgyver 1,645]

Of course there was a question:

https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/545657272308097024

Ok, so that doesn't mean there will be more of Dain's theme in the EE, Doug just could have meant Battle for the MOuntain, which is in the film.

[Jay 37,374]

Yup.

But I would of course bet there will be more Dain's theme in the EE.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Jay 37,374]

The remix sounds better

[gkgyver 1,645]

Indeed.

The original mix sounds like my EWQL instruments when I don't apply reverb to them.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Just tried remixing a bit from the BOFA OST, just out of curiosity. Frankly, I had no idea what I was really doing (I know nothing when it comes to mixing), I was just toying randomly with my audio editor (using the Band Extrapolation tool) to see if I could make some bits I don't like sound a bit better. I used the Girion's theme statement around 03'00 in Fire And Water, because that's one of those bits where I found the brass to sound absolutely horrible. Here's the result:

Fire And Water - Untouched:

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/nj0ui2ker5/F_and_WUNTOUCHED.mp3

Fire And Water - Remixed:

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/zes98lsdlq/F_and_WREMIXED.mp3

The funny thing I noticed is that the settings I used put the percussion playing under Bard's theme (in the second half of the sample) much more in the forefront. I didn't even know there were percussions here when listening to the OST!

Thoughts?

Boal, while I have you here with a prime example: I've been trying to figure out how you do this sort of embedding for like a year. Mind giving a tutorial? Is it un-rippable, unlike Youtube or Soundcould?

[Jay 37,374]

Boal, while I have you here with a prime example: I've been trying to figure out how you do this sort of embedding for like a year. Mind giving a tutorial? Is it un-rippable, unlike Youtube or Soundcould?

LOL.

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21160

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Thanks for the reliably derisive LOL and the help, Jason!